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       #Post#: 14878--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! We DEMAND answers!
   DIR By: trollslayer
       Date: August 5, 2014, 4:19 pm
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       --- Quote from: rapids_60 link ---
       >
       > Largely because it's Libya and never terribly stable,  I'm
       also sure removing  Qadaffi had some part in it.
       > But...now that the Republican's original accusations have been
       disproven  you're just changing the argument.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Changing the argument how?  You don't consider bungling wrong
       doing?  I again ask the question both you and F are running
       from.  Do you think Obama's hands are clean when it comes to
       Benghazi?  You seem to think that totally mishandling it then
       trying to cover it up isn't wrongdoing?  People seem to forget
       how this all came down.  The President of Libya called this a
       terrorist attack right away, before Rice's run on the Sunday
       talk shows.  Obama knew it wasn't a video before going to the
       UN.  If you wish to over look the truth, like F and the Obama
       administration did that's ok.  Another point, one that I find
       more disturbing.  If there wasn't a "stand down" order given
       (there is conflicting evidence about this point  I'm not sure
       the difference between a "stand down" and "stay in place" order)
       that means there weren't any orders given.  Our embassy was
       attacked and nothing was done about it.  No orders were given to
       protect it.
       #Post#: 14879--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! We DEMAND answers!
   DIR By: FTB41
       Date: August 5, 2014, 4:33 pm
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       --- Quote from: trollslayer link ---
       >
       > Investigations show Putin is innocent of wrongdoing in the
       shoot down of the Malaysian jet as well.  So do you wish you
       continue to believe that Obama's hands are totally clean in the
       Benghazi issue?  Sorry, another question you won't
       answer,nothing to see here folks just move along>  Honest,
       intelligent debate from you is a little too much top ask for.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Nope.  I can't have an honest discussion with you any more that
       I can talk evolution with a creationist.  You've already decided
       that he's guilty of something...the how keeps shifting.  Nothing
       anyone says is going to change that.
       He's probably guilty of something, somehow, somewhere... but not
       what Republicans have been accusing of, and certainly not worthy
       of the level of nonsense its been taken to.
       #Post#: 14882--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! We DEMAND answers!
   DIR By: trollslayer
       Date: August 5, 2014, 4:47 pm
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       --- Quote from: FTB41 link ---
       >
       > Nope.  I can't have an honest discussion with you any more
       that I can talk evolution with a creationist.  You've already
       decided that he's guilty of something...the how keeps shifting.
       Nothing anyone says is going to change that.
       >
       > He's probably guilty of something, somehow, somewhere... but
       not what Republicans have been accusing of, and certainly not
       worthy of the level of nonsense its been taken to.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       F, instead of deflecting and redirecting, answer a few simple
       questions for a change, you mount no defense, provide no
       evidence for how you feel and unilaterally declare others wrong.
       Sound like a certain caveman or no?  You've added nothing to
       this thread.  You've made no defense to have any "honest
       discussion".  One more time, do you think Obama's hands are
       clean in Benghazi?  If so why?  So simple a caveman could do it.
       
       #Post#: 14886--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! We DEMAND answers!
   DIR By: trollslayer
       Date: August 5, 2014, 5:10 pm
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       --- Quote ---
       > Nope.  I can't have an honest discussion with you any more
       that I can talk evolution with a creationist.
       --- End Quote ---
       Both a creationist and an evolutionist are capable of having an
       honest discussion, unless one is unable to think past their own
       talking points.  Therein lies your problem.
       #Post#: 14887--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! We DEMAND answers!
   DIR By: FTB41
       Date: August 5, 2014, 6:11 pm
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       --- Quote from: trollslayer link ---
       >
       > F, instead of deflecting and redirecting, answer a few simple
       questions for a change, you mount no defense, provide no
       evidence for how you feel and unilaterally declare others wrong.
       Sound like a certain caveman or no?  You've added nothing to
       this thread.  You've made no defense to have any "honest
       discussion".  One more time, do you think Obama's hands are
       clean in Benghazi?  If so why?  So simple a caveman could do it.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I answered your question.  You just didn't like what I said.
       Now you answer this one.  Given the recent revelations of the
       Republican-led House Intel committee, and with the lack of
       conclusive damning evidence from prior Republican investigative
       efforts, do you think it time for Republicans to stop wasting
       taxpayer money on this witchhunt?
       --- Quote from: trollslayer link ---
       >
       > Both a creationist and an evolutionist are capable of having
       an honest discussion, unless one is unable to think past their
       own talking points.  Therein lies your problem.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Not really.  "Talking points" have nothing to do with it.
       One argument is based on drawing a conclusions from observable
       fact and evidence, the other on using evidence to prove a
       preconceived notion based on faith in their mythology.   When
       its all said and done, it comes down to one side saying "science
       suggests this" and the other saying "because its magic and
       that's what I believe in".    Even if all the arguments made by
       the creationist are destroyed, they will remain unconvinced,
       because faith defies reason.
       That's what we have here.  You are convinced that Obama is
       somehow guilty of something. Nothing anyone says is going to
       change that, even though theories are debunked, accusations
       shift and evidence mounts to the contrary, your faith remains
       unwavering.    Faith defies reason.
       #Post#: 14891--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! We DEMAND answers!
   DIR By: rapids_60
       Date: August 5, 2014, 10:00 pm
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       --- Quote from: trollslayer link ---
       >
       >
       > then trying to cover it up isn't wrongdoing?
       >
       > Obama knew it wasn't a video before going to the UN.
       >
       > If there wasn't a "stand down" order given
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       You keep belching up talking points that the Republicans have
       just conceded as false.
       Again:
       No coverup.
       No wrongdoing.
       Nobody was intentionally misled.
       No stand down/stay in place order.
       That is the result of the House intelligence committee's
       investigation,  the one  demanded by REPUBLICANS and led by
       REPUBLICANS.
       If you wish to keep harping on videos as a deliberate misdirect,
       bungling and orders to do nothing even though those things have
       just been disproven,  by all means continue  ;)
       This is exactly what Linda and I said would happen when a
       Benghazi investigation was called for in the beginning.
       If the results didn't please the anti-Obama/anti-Hillary crowd,
       they would simply ignore the investigator's conclusions and
       carry on like it never happened.  ;D
       
       #Post#: 14894--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! We DEMAND answers!
   DIR By: trollslayer
       Date: August 5, 2014, 10:44 pm
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       > I answered your question.  You just didn't like what I said.
       --- End Quote ---
       No, you didn't.  I challenge you to show where you did.  I won't
       be holding my breath given your history.
       --- Quote ---
       > Given the recent revelations of the Republican-led House Intel
       committee, and with the lack of conclusive damning evidence from
       prior Republican investigative efforts, do you think it time for
       Republicans to stop wasting taxpayer money on this witchhunt?
       --- End Quote ---
       Whenever democrat start complaining about spending taxpayer
       money, you know they are backed into a corner.  No, there are
       still too many unanswered questions.  Where was Obama during
       thiS attack.  Nobody knows.  Who gave the stay in place order?
       Nobody knows.  Why was Obama pushing the video narrative ten
       days after the attack when it was clearly known that the video
       had nothing to do with it.  Nobody knows.  Why were those who
       lived that were involved in this attack forced to sign
       nondisclosure agreements?  Nobody knows  If the most transparent
       administration in history would be transparent, there wouldn't
       be these unanswered questions.
       --- Quote ---
       > That's what we have here.  You are convinced that Obama is
       somehow guilty of something. Nothing anyone says is going to
       change that, even though theories are debunked,
       --- End Quote ---
       Obama is guilty of something.  There are no theories involved.
       You choose to overlook them.  Obama is guilty of being part of
       the assassination of Qaddafi.  Obama is guilty of leaving a
       power vacuum in Libya after said assassination.  Obama is guilty
       of not providing our embassy adequate security despite knowing
       that there was indeed a threat against said embassy according to
       your own source.
       I invite you to how me where anything posted here is wrong
       WITHOUT USING CAPS, WITHOUT CALLING ME  A HATER/RACIST OR ANY
       OTHER DEMOCRATIC TALKING POINTS AND WITHOUT USING THE STRAWMAN
       FALLACY.
       To do so does nothing but insult the intelligence of the average
       reader and does nothing but make you, nobody else look the fool.
       #Post#: 14895--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! We DEMAND answers!
   DIR By: trollslayer
       Date: August 5, 2014, 11:03 pm
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       --- Quote ---
       > No stand down/stay in place order.
       --- End Quote ---
       There was no stand down order.  There was a stay in place order.
       Google it.  I refuse to provide any further links, just to have
       the links discounted and draw attention away from the discussion
       at hand.   The video was indeed an intentional misdirect, used
       almost two week later by Obama at the UN.  As I posted earlier
       and feel the need to post again.  The Libyan president admitted
       this was a planned terrorist attack prior to Rice making the
       rounds on the Sunday shows.  Of course this is the president we
       installed and of course he has no idea what was happening in his
       own country.  He was working against the Obama administration.
       Sarcasm in cased you missed it)  Despite that, despite that, the
       coverup proceeded.  The Americans killed in the attack were
       killed by precise mortar attacks.  Not just "lucky shots"  Well
       beyond the capabilities of your average video protestor.  If you
       choose to believe otherwise I'm sure F has a glass or two share
       with you.  There still remain many many unanswered questions. To
       assume otherwise just shows your reluctance to keep an open mind
       in this matter.
       #Post#: 14897--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! We DEMAND answers!
   DIR By: rapids_60
       Date: August 5, 2014, 11:27 pm
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       --- Quote from: trollslayer link ---
       >
       > The video was indeed an intentional misdirect,
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       The investigation says otherwise.  That point is specifically
       addressed.    Not much point in going round and round, if you
       are just going to disregard their findings.
       #Post#: 14900--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! We DEMAND answers!
   DIR By: FTB41
       Date: August 6, 2014, 4:59 am
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       --- Quote from: trollslayer link ---
       >
       > No, you didn't.  I challenge you to show where you did.  I
       won't be holding my breath given your history.
       > Whenever democrat start complaining about spending taxpayer
       money, you know they are backed into a corner.  No, there are
       still too many unanswered questions.  Where was Obama during
       thiS attack.  Nobody knows.  Who gave the stay in place order?
       Nobody knows.  Why was Obama pushing the video narrative ten
       days after the attack when it was clearly known that the video
       had nothing to do with it.  Nobody knows.  Why were those who
       lived that were involved in this attack forced to sign
       nondisclosure agreements?  Nobody knows  If the most transparent
       administration in history would be transparent, there wouldn't
       be these unanswered questions.
       > Obama is guilty of something.  There are no theories involved.
       You choose to overlook them.  Obama is guilty of being part of
       the assassination of Qaddafi.  Obama is guilty of leaving a
       power vacuum in Libya after said assassination.  Obama is guilty
       of not providing our embassy adequate security despite knowing
       that there was indeed a threat against said embassy according to
       your own source.
       > I invite you to how me where anything posted here is wrong
       > WITHOUT USING CAPS, WITHOUT CALLING ME  A HATER/RACIST OR ANY
       OTHER DEMOCRATIC TALKING POINTS AND WITHOUT USING THE STRAWMAN
       FALLACY.
       > To do so does nothing but insult the intelligence of the
       average reader and does nothing but make you, nobody else look
       the fool.
       >
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Holy crap dude.  You've lost your dang mind over this.  I could
       continue, but at this point its just embarrassing.
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