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       #Post#: 14609--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Global community has become more "tranquil"
       By: rapids_60 Date: July 23, 2014, 8:13 pm
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       [quote author=trollslayer link=topic=1133.msg14604#msg14604
       date=1406128323]
       The US needs to step up oil and natural gas production and make
       Putin a smaller player on the world stage.
       [/quote]
       N. Gas is the big problem for Europe.   Oil can be tankered in
       from anywhere. Nat. Gas needs pipelines, doesn't travel
       efficiently by ship,  and we can't do a trans-oceanic pipeline
       just yet.
       I'm curious as to what sanctions we can apply that would be
       effective?   We're not going to start WWIII over it and Putin
       knows that.  Anything lesser is just an annoyance to him.
       
       #Post#: 14610--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Global community has become more "tranquil"
       By: trollslayer Date: July 23, 2014, 8:33 pm
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       [quote author=rapids_60 link=topic=1133.msg14609#msg14609
       date=1406164413]
       N. Gas is the big problem for Europe.   Oil can be tankered in
       from anywhere. Nat. Gas needs pipelines, doesn't travel
       efficiently by ship,  and we can't do a trans-oceanic pipeline
       just yet.
       I'm curious as to what sanctions we can apply that would be
       effective?   We're not going to start WWIII over it and Putin
       knows that.  Anything lesser is just an annoyance to him.
       [/quote]
       Sanctioning them from using dollars as a currency is one way.
       Freezing their assets and the assets of the oligarchs is
       another.   Arming and supporting the Ukrainian army is another.
       That would be an act Putin and his country would fully
       understand.  If we can send "advisers" to Iraq why not there?
       Right now the Ukrainian army is using old Soviet era circa
       1970's hardware.  A little upgrade to more current armaments
       would give them a little more of a fighting chance.
       Of coure if he would fly overseas and run a campaign to end the
       war that may help.  Obama is a very good campaigner as members
       of his own party are finding out.  Not much of a president but a
       hell of a campaigner.
       #Post#: 14944--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Global community has become more "tranquil"
       By: trollslayer Date: August 8, 2014, 7:48 am
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       More signs the world is becoming a more tranquil place.
       [quote]Russian strategic nuclear bombers and other military
       aircraft entered US air defense identification zones (ADIZs) at
       least 16 times over the past ten days, American defense
       officials confirmed on Thursday.
       “Over the past week, NORAD has visually identified Russian
       aircraft operating in and around the US air defense
       identification zones,” said Maj. Beth Smith, spokeswoman for US
       Northern Command and the North American Aerospace Defense
       Command (NORAD).
       Smith sought to downplay the incursions that she called “a spike
       in activity,” telling the Washington Free Beacon’s Bill Gertz
       that the flights were assessed as routine training missions and
       exercises.
       But an unnamed defense official familiar with the incursion
       reports disagreed with Smith’s assessment. “These are not just
       training missions,” the official told Gertz, saying that Russian
       strategic nuclear forces appear to be “trying to test our air
       defense reactions, or our command and control systems.”
       NORAD scrambled fighter jets several times when Russian
       strategic aircraft flew along US ADIZs. The planes included a
       mix of Tu-95 Bear H heavy bombers and Tu-142 Bear F maritime
       reconnaissance aircraft, as well as one IL-20 intelligence
       collection aircraft, Smith said.
       The bomber flights took place mainly along the Alaskan air
       defense identification zone that covers the Aleutian Islands and
       the continental part of the state, and one incursion involved
       entry into Canada’s air defense zone, she added.
       [/quote]
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