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#Post#: 14407--------------------------------------------------
Well that didn't take long.
DIR By: rapids_60
Date: July 3, 2014, 10:49 pm
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Hobby Lobby ruling is used to reverse the court of appeals and
allow an employer to refuse coverage for all forms of birth
control.
HTML http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2014/07/03/hobby-lobby-fallout-catholic-soy-milk-mogul-wont-cover-drugs-that-prevent-procreation/
In October, the U.S. Court of Appeals decided against Potter,
ruling that Eden Foods, as a for-profit corporation, couldn’t
exercise religion.
Now, in the wake of this week’s controversial Supreme Court
ruling recognizing craft chain Hobby Lobby’s religious rights,
the court has changed its tune.
The day after the Justices decided evangelical Hobby Lobby
billionaire David Green doesn’t have to cover certain
contraceptives for his employees, the Supreme Court vacated the
judgment against Eden Foods ...
So that "narrow ruling" on 4 specific drugs expanded to any and
all forms of birth control in barely one day. Slope feeling a
bit slippery?
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Re: Well that didn't take long.
DIR By: rapids_60
Date: July 3, 2014, 11:14 pm
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And now, emboldened by the HL decison, they want an exemption
so they don't have to hire Teh Gays
HTML http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/07/hobby-lobby-is-already-creating-new-religious-demands-on-obama/373853/
#Post#: 14410--------------------------------------------------
Re: Well that didn't take long.
DIR By: Notso
Date: July 4, 2014, 6:47 am
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That would be something. Obamacare may very well collapse under
it's own weight and the only thing surviving the rubble would be
erosion of certain things commonly called reproductive and gay
rights. That law of unintended consequences just might bite
some folk once again.
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Re: Well that didn't take long.
DIR By: trollslayer
Date: July 4, 2014, 7:13 am
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--- Quote from: rapids_60 link ---
>
> And now, emboldened by the HL decison, they want an
exemption so they don't have to hire Teh Gays
>
HTML http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/07/hobby-lobby-is-already-creating-new-religious-demands-on-obama/373853/
>
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And you really think this is going to fly?
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Re: Well that didn't take long.
DIR By: trollslayer
Date: July 4, 2014, 7:33 am
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--- Quote from: rapids_60 link ---
>
> Hobby Lobby ruling is used to reverse the court of appeals and
allow an employer to refuse coverage for all forms of birth
control.
>
>
HTML http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2014/07/03/hobby-lobby-fallout-catholic-soy-milk-mogul-wont-cover-drugs-that-prevent-procreation/
>
> In October, the U.S. Court of Appeals decided against Potter,
ruling that Eden Foods, as a for-profit corporation, couldn’t
exercise religion.
> Now, in the wake of this week’s controversial Supreme Court
ruling recognizing craft chain Hobby Lobby’s religious rights,
the court has changed its tune.
> The day after the Justices decided evangelical Hobby Lobby
billionaire David Green doesn’t have to cover certain
contraceptives for his employees, the Supreme Court vacated the
judgment against Eden Foods ...
>
> So that "narrow ruling" on 4 specific drugs expanded to any
and all forms of birth control in barely one day. Slope feeling
a bit slippery?
>
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How has it been expanded? It hasn't. Eden Foods is going to
have to spend more money fighting it in court. Nothing has
changed based on the Supreme Courts ruling. You left out an
important part of the quotation you posted
--- Quote ---
> The day after the Justices decided evangelical Hobby Lobby
billionaire David Green doesn’t have to cover certain
contraceptives for his employees, the Supreme Court vacated the
judgment against Eden Foods and sent the case back to the U.S.
Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit for further
consideration.
--- End Quote ---
Perhaps Forbes can check into their investments and find out who
they have been doing business with as well since they are under
the impression this is an important aspect of the case.
Also in your article, it states they never did pay for
contraception for their employees so I guess you can't use the
hypocrisy argument in this case.
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Re: Well that didn't take long.
DIR By: Notso
Date: July 4, 2014, 7:59 am
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--- Quote from: trollslayer link ---
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> And you really think this is going to fly?
>
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Could happen, there is no overall special protection for
homosexuals in the work place. Some states have them and of
course a employment contract may protect them, but they are not
a "special group" like some minority's and women that covers all
employment. Most jobs are at will, you can be let go for any
reason at any time, just like you can quit for any reason and at
any time.
#Post#: 14416--------------------------------------------------
Re: Well that didn't take long.
DIR By: trollslayer
Date: July 4, 2014, 8:39 am
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--- Quote from: Notso link ---
>
> Could happen, there is no overall special protection for
homosexuals in the work place. Some states have them and of
course a employment contract may protect them, but they are not
a "special group" like some minority's and women that covers all
employment. Most jobs are at will, you can be let go for any
reason at any time, just like you can quit for any reason and at
any time.
>
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I can not see, under any circumstances, any law or provision
being made that would allow any employer the right to not hire
somebody based on sexual preference. That doesn't mean it's not
happening of course.
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Re: Well that didn't take long.
DIR By: Notso
Date: July 4, 2014, 8:54 am
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--- Quote from: trollslayer link ---
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> I can not see, under any circumstances, any law or provision
being made that would allow any employer the right to not hire
somebody based on sexual preference. That doesn't mean it's not
happening of course.
>
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Nope, according to current law an employer cannot ask about
sexual preference and if a employment candidate offers up that
information it must be ignored so an employer has no legal way
of knowing a potential employee is homosexual in the first
place. That's that law of unintended consequences again. But
that's just for the hiring process.
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Re: Well that didn't take long.
DIR By: rapids_60
Date: July 4, 2014, 2:04 pm
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--- Quote from: trollslayer link ---
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> Nothing has changed based on the Supreme Courts ruling.
>
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Seems to me they at first did not pay, then a lower court found
against them, stating they needed to keep their religion
separate from their business.
At that point they did pay, up until this week's SC decision,
reversing the lower court decision. They are now free to not pay
again unless the lower court reaffirms their previous decision.
The expansion is using that "Narrow" decision that only applied
to abortion-causing drugs to cover any and all forms of birth
control the employer may object to. That's exactly what
happened here.
Watch carefully as a Muslim employer one day soon files suit to
preserve their religious law in employment. That's when things
will get interesting.
May well be the righties who so vigorously defend Hobby Lobby
inadvertently opened the door to having to equally protect
parts of Sharia law in the US.
Unintended consequences and all.
#Post#: 14421--------------------------------------------------
Re: Well that didn't take long.
DIR By: rapids_60
Date: July 4, 2014, 2:11 pm
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--- Quote from: Notso link ---
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> Could happen, there is no overall special protection for
homosexuals in the work place.
>
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State by state. Wisconsin has it, quite a few do not. But-
were the Supreme Court to decide that being forced to hire
homosexuals violated one's "deeply held religious beliefs", who
knows. Their decision would invalidate any state protections in
place.
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