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#Post#: 13994--------------------------------------------------
A challenge to obama lovers
DIR By: Mr.steve
Date: June 17, 2014, 9:39 am
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I bet F can complete the challenge!
#Post#: 13995--------------------------------------------------
Re: A challenge to obama lovers
DIR By: trollslayer
Date: June 17, 2014, 11:50 am
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There's been a couple more to add but I'm pretty sure we'll just
hear crickets and that sound ain't coming from around camp site
851. ;D
#Post#: 14001--------------------------------------------------
Re: A challenge to obama lovers
DIR By: rapids_60
Date: June 17, 2014, 2:42 pm
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1) Rev Wright- it's a made up issue. Obama's really a secret
Muslim, remember?
2) Ayers. See Above.
3) Solyndra. One failure out of many successes for that
investment fund. The green energy field was full of high
profile failures at the time. Windmill blades. Rapids.
MidState Tech program that fed a non-existent factory. For
example.
4) Fast and Furious. Stupid. Agreed. Holder is a disaster.
5) Bugging AP. Stupid. Agreed. Where's Nixon?
6) Spying on Reporters. See #5. No need to repeat the same
thing twice.
7) Benghazi. Yeah, Obama screwed this one up.
8) IRS Targeting. Again, wrong thing to do. Again, not
unprecedented. I'd like to see the IRS disbanded entirely,
they've been a fave political attack dog for decades.
9) Pigford. Never heard of it.
10) End runs around congress? Using laws already in place with
plenty of precedent.
11) Again, no idea what you are talking about.
12) Syria? Yeah, bad policy. It's tough over there, our friend
today is our enemy tomorrow. We're fighting alongside IRAN right
now, lol. Against insurgents turning our own left-behind
weapons against us.
Kindly name the last president to get Middle East foreign policy
right. I can't think of who that might be.
13) Recess Appointments. Again, SOP with plenty of precedent.
You don't like it when Obama does it, we get that.
14) Muslim Brotherhood in DHS. Uhm...no. Bachman is a
whackjob, her allegations have been disproven and live on only
in conspiracy sites like Infowars.
15) Obamacare waivers for friends. Well, pretty much for
anyone who asks. I doubt McDonalds etc is a personal friend.
And I'm not an Obama supporter. When he's wrong, he's wrong and
he's wrong quite a bit. That doesn't mean everything he does
is wrong or that every whackjob conspiracy is true.
Out of your list of 15 items, perhaps 5-6 are legit. problems.
And you missed some things that should be on the list but
aren't. In fact some of the worst offenses are missing. Just
FYI.
Not that Bush's supporters would have bothered to admit, much
less explain any of his multiple and spectacular mistakes while
he was in office before holding a conversation with anyone.
Instead we got "criticizing the president during wartime is an
act of treason".
Funny how standards change when it's the other guy.
#Post#: 14004--------------------------------------------------
Re: A challenge to obama lovers
DIR By: Mr.steve
Date: June 17, 2014, 4:24 pm
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> 1) Rev Wright- it's a made up issue. Obama's really a secret
Muslim, remember?
>
> 2) Ayers. See Above.
>
> 3) Solyndra. One failure out of many successes for that
investment fund. The green energy field was full of high
profile failures at the time. Windmill blades. Rapids.
MidState Tech program that fed a non-existent factory. For
example.
>
> 4) Fast and Furious. Stupid. Agreed. Holder is a disaster.
>
> 5) Bugging AP. Stupid. Agreed. Where's Nixon?
>
> 6) Spying on Reporters. See #5. No need to repeat the same
thing twice.
>
> 7) Benghazi. Yeah, Obama screwed this one up.
>
> 8) IRS Targeting. Again, wrong thing to do. Again, not
unprecedented. I'd like to see the IRS disbanded entirely,
they've been a fave political attack dog for decades.
>
> 9) Pigford. Never heard of it.
>
> 10) End runs around congress? Using laws already in place
with plenty of precedent.
>
> 11) Again, no idea what you are talking about.
>
> 12) Syria? Yeah, bad policy. It's tough over there, our
friend today is our enemy tomorrow. We're fighting alongside
IRAN right now, lol. Against insurgents turning our own
left-behind weapons against us.
> Kindly name the last president to get Middle East foreign
policy right. I can't think of who that might be.
>
> 13) Recess Appointments. Again, SOP with plenty of precedent.
You don't like it when Obama does it, we get that.
>
> 14) Muslim Brotherhood in DHS. Uhm...no. Bachman is a
whackjob, her allegations have been disproven and live on only
in conspiracy sites like Infowars.
>
> 15) Obamacare waivers for friends. Well, pretty much for
anyone who asks. I doubt McDonalds etc is a personal friend.
>
>
> And I'm not an Obama supporter. When he's wrong, he's wrong
and he's wrong quite a bit. That doesn't mean everything he
does is wrong or that every whackjob conspiracy is true.
> Out of your list of 15 items, perhaps 5-6 are legit. problems.
And you missed some things that should be on the list but
aren't. In fact some of the worst offenses are missing. Just
FYI.
>
> Not that Bush's supporters would have bothered to admit, much
less explain any of his multiple and spectacular mistakes while
he was in office before holding a conversation with anyone.
Instead we got "criticizing the president during wartime is an
act of treason".
> Funny how standards change when it's the other guy.
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Sorry Rapids, you were within 3 sentences of accomplishing the
task. ;)
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Re: A challenge to obama lovers
DIR By: wmd102
Date: June 17, 2014, 4:52 pm
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--- Quote from: FTB41 link ---
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> Aww...look who finally learned to post images.
> Looks like crazy Steve's been stealing from his crazy facebook
friends.
>
>
>
>
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Coming from a man who sights the anti TEA party web site as a
news source. (Wagging finger of shame) :P
Oh Rapids60 So much ignorance (and proud of it) on your part, in
so little time. >:(
Let us just concentrate on Pigford. Unless I am mistaken this in
reference to the PIGFORD VS GLICKMAN COURT CASE. Look it up on
Wikipedia if you must find the long story. In short it was a
Clinton era class action lawsuit about how the FSA was giving
only white farmers government money while blacks (and just about
everyone else) was given the shaft.
Skip ahead to April 25, 2013 I shall quote the New York Times.
"The $50,000 payouts to black farmers had proved a magnet for
fraud (and that) its very design encouraged people to lie." >:(
#Post#: 14012--------------------------------------------------
Re: A challenge to obama lovers
DIR By: rapids_60
Date: June 17, 2014, 6:54 pm
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--- Quote from: wmd102 link ---
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> Oh Rapids60 So much ignorance (and proud of it) on your part,
in so little time. >:(
>
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Hey, I'll admit it when I don't know something. But I'll argue
your suggestion that I know nothing. ;D :D
#Post#: 14018--------------------------------------------------
Re: A challenge to obama lovers
DIR By: rapids_60
Date: June 17, 2014, 7:05 pm
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--- Quote from: Mr.steve link ---
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> Sorry Rapids, you were within 3 sentences of accomplishing the
task. ;)
>
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Hey, no changing the rules after the fact. :P You said to
explain the scandals without mentioning Bush. I did that. I
mentioned Bush later on as an adjacent comment.
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Re: A challenge to obama lovers
DIR By: wmd102
Date: June 17, 2014, 10:18 pm
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--- Quote from: rapids_60 link ---
>
>
> Not that Bush's supporters would have bothered to admit, much
less explain any of his multiple and spectacular mistakes while
he was in office before holding a conversation with anyone.
Instead we got "criticizing the president during wartime is an
act of treason".
> Funny how standards change when it's the other guy.
>
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How about delaying the invasion of Iraq to allow earthquake
victim relief workers smuggle chemical weapons into Syria? I
first heard this a few months after the invasion when it became
apparent there NO WMDs to be found. I sort of thought this might
be BS to try and save face. Furthermore, even if this were true
there was no way to prove something like this. Leave it to
Bashir Assad to find the one way prove it by USING IT ON HIS
OWN PEOPLE! Happy Rapids?[quote author=rapids_60
link=topic=1101.msg14001#msg14001 dat
And I'm not an Obama supporter. When he's wrong, he's wrong and
he's wrong quite a bit. That doesn't mean everything he does
is wrong or that every whackjob conspiracy is true.
Out of your list of 15 items, perhaps 5-6 are legit. problems.
And you missed some things that should be on the list but
aren't. In fact some of the worst offenses are missing. Just
FYI.
[/quote]
No on on this forum minimizes the misdeeds of BHO than the big
60, nor implies "Bush did it" as often. Of the former some I
have known her entire life worked in the White House during the
final year of the Bush Administration so when she says he really
was smart that is opinion I consider to have a great deal of
weight!
#Post#: 14029--------------------------------------------------
Re: A challenge to obama lovers
DIR By: rapids_60
Date: June 17, 2014, 11:20 pm
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--- Quote from: wmd102 link ---
>
> No on on this forum minimizes the misdeeds of BHO than the big
60, nor implies "Bush did it" as often.
--- End Quote ---
Yeahwhatever there pal. ::)
I criticize things that deserve criticism, but don't
criticize things that have no basis in reality. 2/3 of Steve's
list is the latter.
I did the same with Bush, BTW. He messed up big, but he wasn't
guilty of everything the left threw at him. He didn't plan
9/11, wasn't snorting coke in office, didn't build FEMA camps
or any of that farfetched stuff. I apply the exact same
standard to Obama. Call it whatever you like.
You cannot discuss certain events without going back to Bush,
especially world events. Do you think Bush's lack of action
last time Putin ran a land grab had nothing to do with his
decision to do the same in Crimea?
Nor can you discuss the Bush years without bringing up the
presidents that preceded him. Everything is connected. History
does not come in 8 year blocks.
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> Of the former some I have known her entire life worked in the
White House during the final year of the Bush Administration so
when she says he really was smart that is opinion I consider to
have a great deal of weight!
>
--- End Quote ---
He may well have been smart. I've never met the man. His
problem was he trusted people without verifying and chose the
wrong people to trust.
I think he figured out how badly he'd been had towards the end.
Scooter Libby went unpardoned as a big middle finger to Cheney.
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