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ORONOQUE ROAD JOHN DOE: MA, 18-25, found near Milford railroad t
racks - 21 August 1992
By: Akoya Date: March 13, 2020, 12:25 pm
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A couple strolling through the woods off of Oronoque Road in
Milford discovered the skeletal remains of the decedent by
railroad tracks. His body was wrapped in a pink blanket, an
olive drab colored blanket and two green plastic garbage bags.
The remains were 90% skeletonized. Four small caliber gray metal
bullets were recovered. The man was killed elsewhere.
Investigators believe he was not from the local area.
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Re: ORONOQUE ROAD JOHN DOE: MA, 18-25, found near Milford railro
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By: Akoya Date: March 13, 2020, 12:27 pm
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Case Information
Case Numbers
NCMEC Number
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ME/C Case Number
92-7994
Demographics
Sex
Male
Race / Ethnicity
Asian
Estimated Age Group
Adult - Pre 30
Estimated Age Range (Years)
18-25
Estimated Year of Death
1991-1992
Estimated PMI
6 Months
Height
5' 6"(66 inches) , Estimated
Weight
130 lbs, Estimated
Circumstances
Type
Unidentified Deceased
Date Found
August 21, 1992
NamUs Case Created
September 2, 2011
ME/C QA Reviewed
September 3, 2011
Location Found Map
Street Address
Wooded Area
Oronoque Road
Milford, Connecticut
County
New Haven County
GPS Coordinates
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Circumstances of Recovery
Body found in wooded area by people walking through woods.
Details of Recovery
Inventory of Remains
All parts recovered
Condition of Remains
Not recognizable - Near complete or complete skeleton
Physical Description
Hair Color
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Head Hair Description
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Body Hair Description
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Facial Hair Description
--
Left Eye Color
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Right Eye Color
--
Eye Description
--
Distinctive Physical Features
No Known Information
Clothing and Accessories
Description
Clothing Buttoned long-sleeved shirt with logo "FOREVER" over
left chest pocket.
"Fruit of the Loom" vest-type undershirt XL 14-16
Jeans with brown belt and yellow metal buckle
"Fruit of the Loom" jockey underwear size 30-32
Case Contributors
Michelle Clark, Medicolegal Death Investigator
Connecticut Office of Chief Medical Examiner
(860) 679-3980
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Re: ORONOQUE ROAD JOHN DOE: MA, 18-25, found near Milford railro
ad tracks - 21 August 1992
By: Akoya Date: March 13, 2020, 12:29 pm
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1714UMCT - Unidentified Male
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Reconstructions of the victim by the New York Academy of Art
Date of Discovery: August 21, 1992
Location of Discovery: Milford, New Haven County, Connecticut
Estimated Date of Death: Months prior
State of Remains: Unknown
Cause of Death: Homicide by multiple gunshots to the head
Physical Description
Estimated Age: 18-30 years old
Race: Asian
Sex: Male
Height: 5'5" to 5'6"
Weight: 120-130 lbs.
Hair Color: Black, straight, 4" to 5" in length.
Eye Color: Unknown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: Unknown
Identifiers
Dentals: Available. X-rays and photographs available. All teeth
including third molars have erupted. No cavities, restorations
or abnormalities are identified. The incisors do not have a
shovel appearance.
Fingerprints:Not available.
DNA: Available.
Clothing & Personal Items
Clothing: Long sleeve buttoned shirt with logo "Forever" on the
left chest pocket, Fruit of the Loom vest-type undershirt (size
XL 14-16), denim pants, brown belt with yellow metal buckle, and
Fruit of the Loom white jockey underwear (size 30-32).
Jewelry: Unknown
Additional Personal Items: Unknown
Circumstances of Discovery
A couple strolling through the woods off of Oronoque Road in
Milford discovered the skeletal remains of the decedent by
railroad tracks. His body was wrapped in a pink blanket, an
olive drab colored blanket and two green plastic garbage bags.
The remains were 90% skeletonized. Four small caliber gray metal
bullets were recovered. The man was killed elswewhere.
Investigators believe he was not from the local area.
Investigating Agency(s)
Agency Name: Office of the Connecticut Medical Examiner
Agency Contact Person: Michelle Clark
Agency Phone Number: 860-679-3980
Agency E-Mail: msclark(at)ocme.org
Agency Case Number: 92-7994
Agency Name: Milford Police Department (CT)
Agency Contact Person: N/A
Agency Phone Number: 203-878-6551
Agency E-Mail: N/A
Agency Case Number: Unknown
NCIC Case Number: Unknown
NamUs Case Number: 9242
Former Hot Case Number: 1127
Information Source(s)
NamUs
Connecticut Post News Archive
Admin Notes
Added: Prior to 2012; Last Updated: 11/15/17
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Re: ORONOQUE ROAD JOHN DOE: MA, 18-25, found near Milford railro
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Connecticut
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Re: ORONOQUE ROAD JOHN DOE: MA, 18-25, found near Milford railro
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HTML https://www.nhregister.com/news/article/Missing-in-Connecticut-Giving-a-name-to-the-11547255.php
Missing in Connecticut: Giving a name to the 'missing missing,'
databases and DNA may help identify unnamed remains (video)
Michelle Tuccitto Sullo, Investigations Editor Published 12:00
am EST, Saturday, February 4, 2012
The region's nameless dead have been found floating in the
Connecticut River, hidden in ditches and dumped in forests and
near highways. Around the state, human remains have been found
by street sweepers, hunters, hikers and passers-by and unearthed
by construction crews.
Police have worked for years trying to figure out who they are
-- a young woman found murdered in East Haven still remains
nameless after 37 years.
East Haven police Detective Sgt. Bruce Scobie said police would
like to solve the mystery, know her name and capture her killer.
Scobie, a father himself, thinks about Jane Doe's parents and
relatives.
"You wonder if this person had family somewhere at one time,"
Scobie said. "Are they out there wondering? Did they pass on,
never knowing what happened to her? It is hard to believe no one
ever missed her. There must be someone out there with a story of
a friend or cousin who disappeared. Someday, I'd like to hear
that a name has been put to her."
According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation's National
Crime Information Center, the country's number of unidentified
deceased was at 7,551 as of Jan. 1. However, it isn't mandatory
for law enforcement to enter all cases into this database,
according to a center spokeswoman.
U.S. Rep. Chris Murphy, D-5, who has proposed the federal "Help
Find the Missing Act," or "Billy's Law," in honor of missing
Waterbury man William Smolinski Jr., estimates there are 40,000
sets of unidentified remains nationwide. Murphy's proposal seeks
to create an organized system to match remains to missing
people, and an incentive grants program for law enforcement and
medical examiners to report information to NCIC, the U.S.
Department of Justice's National Missing and Unidentified
Persons System, or NamUs, and the National DNA Index System.
"Unless you put information about unidentified remains on NamUs,
you are cutting out the most important investigators, the loved
ones of the missing," Murphy said, as NamUs is open to the
public. "The Internet is perfectly positioned to solve these
cases, yet we aren't using it to its capacity."
On Friday, NamUs, which launched in 2007, listed 41 cases of
unidentified remains found in Connecticut, going back to 1972.
It listed 8,165 open unidentified remains cases for the country.
While various databases can help match the missing to the
unidentified, investigators frequently aren't using all
available databases. Older cases predate DNA extraction
technology. In many area cases, the unidentified bodies were
buried, so investigators don't have DNA to add to databases
unless they exhume the bodies.
Of the 41 cases of unidentified remains listed on NamUs for
Connecticut, only three show DNA samples have been submitted,
with no DNA samples taken even for many cases in years when the
technology was available, the site shows.
Under state law effective in October 2011, in cases involving
remains where homicide is suspected, the office of the chief
state medical examiner has to obtain tissue samples, bone and
hair for DNA typing, and these samples must go to the Division
of Scientific Services within the Department of Public Safety.
While several cases of unidentified remains from years ago have
been added to NamUs in recent months, the NamUs list isn't
complete. State Victim Advocate Michelle Cruz said plans are
under way for statewide training for law enforcement on how to
use NamUs.
East Haven's Jane Doe, for example, isn't on there yet, though
police say they are considering including her.
A truck driver found her body Aug. 16, 1975, in a drainage ditch
behind a department store on Frontage Road. The white woman was
found wrapped in a canvas tarp with black wire around her neck,
waist and knees. Her cause of death was asphyxiation by
suffocation, according to police.
Police have circulated an artist's rendering of the brunette,
who is believed to have been 18 to 28 years old. They have
featured her case on The Doe Network. This has led to occasional
leads, but none have led to Doe's identity.
Scobie said police are discussing exhuming her body from a
Hamden cemetery to try to get DNA from her remains.
Police have Jane Doe's dental records, but she was found in an
era that pre-dates the widespread use of DNA testing, Scobie
said.
Scobie said having her DNA may not lead to any matches, because
there may not be DNA available from women who went missing back
then for comparison.
"Exhuming her body is something that has been discussed," Scobie
said. "If the laboratory said there would be viable DNA, we
would probably do it."
Also, while an artist did a rendering of Doe years ago, Scobie
said computer technology has advanced so much that using her
skull today could result in a more accurate image of what she
looked like.
Henry C. Lee, forensics expert, professor and founder of the
University of New Haven Forensic Research Training Center, said
technology has changed tremendously in the years since the
discovery of East Haven's Jane Doe. According to Lee, in older
cases of unidentified remains, DNA samples weren't taken, but
with today's technology, DNA can be extracted from hair and
bone.
Lee also cautioned that getting DNA from the remains won't
necessarily solve the East Haven mystery.
"It is so many years ago, it would be hard to track down family
to get the known DNA (for comparison)," Lee said. "If we don't
know where the victim came from, we don't have known DNA to
compare with, and that becomes shooting in the dark, and makes
the case very difficult."
Scobie said he doesn't believe Jane Doe was from the area, as he
believes someone would have reported her missing, and she would
have been recognized back then from publicity about the case. It
is possible her parents are dead, he said.
"The theory is she was killed elsewhere and then brought to that
location," Scobie said. "I personally don't think the crime
occurred very far away. She was pretty well bound, tied and
gagged. Someone took their time with her. I think it was a
premeditated killing."
Doe possibly had a small mole on her chin, and she had pierced
ears and wore small gold circular earrings, according to Scobie.
"There was an item used to gag her which leads me to believe the
homicide was committed locally," he said.
Police don't want to be specific about the item used to gag the
victim, because if police ever get a confession, only the killer
could identify it, Scobie said.
Police believe she had been there up to five days before her
discovery.
"Whoever put her there, did not want her found," Scobie said.
"There are a lot of theories. I'm not sure a person who was just
traveling through would take the time to conceal a body like
that."
Over the years, leads about her possible identity have come
through the Doe Network, but they have all been ruled out
through dental or medical comparisons, according to Scobie.
According to Scobie, police have a suspect in Jane Doe's death,
Glen Askeborn, who served prison time for a similar slaying in
Maine. Askeborn, who dressed in women's clothes, used the name
Samantha Glenner also, according to police.
According to the Maine Department of Corrections, Askeborn was
released from prison in September 2009.
"The body in that (Maine) case was concealed and disposed of in
a similar manner, and we went to interview (Askeborn) in a Maine
prison," Scobie said. "He denied any knowledge of it. He lived
in East Haven at the time of this (Jane Doe) incident, and there
were a lot of similarities. Personally, I do think he was
involved, but we have no direct evidence."
Investigators in Old Saybrook have their own unsolved case.
Fishermen discovered the badly decomposed body of a man floating
in the Connecticut River in Old Saybrook on March 31, 1998.
John Doe's case is on the Doe Network, and it was entered on
NamUs in 2008. The NamUs site says his DNA is not available, but
his dental information is available for comparison. The site
estimates his age at between 30 and 35 and describes him as a
white male, who was 5 feet, 8 inches tall. His remains were
mostly skeletonized. He was wearing a coat with a purple zipper,
and had remnants of black socks and pants, and he wore size 9˝
FILA brand sneakers. He also had a silver lighter, the NamUs
site shows. Officials estimate his death as between 1990 and
1998. His remains were eventually buried as a John Doe.
The man is featured in the state's cold case playing card deck,
which is given to state prisoners, as the nine of hearts. The
card describes him as an unidentified person, aged between 29
and 32, and about 200 pounds. A drawing of him on the card
depicts him as dark-skinned.
Old Saybrook police Sgt. Charles Mercer said the investigation
determined his body was in the water for years, and police
believe he floated downriver to Old Saybrook.
"The condition of the body indicates he was in a marshy area
before high water moved the remains to the river," Mercer said.
According to Mercer, the facial reconstruction of a dark-skinned
male was done by the National Center for Missing and Exploited
Children, and police believe it is an accurate representation of
what he looked like, though Mercer said the skin color could be
much lighter and is "at best a guess."
"His bone structure suggests he probably was Hispanic or
Caucasian, or of mixed race," Mercer said.
Police have widely distributed the man's image, even featuring
his case on America's Most Wanted's website. His dental records
were submitted to the American Dental Association and the
Department of Defense's dental unit, according to Mercer.
Police do not know the victim's cause of death, so they don't
know if there was foul play, Mercer said. They also do not have
his DNA, Mercer confirmed.
"We could not submit DNA as there were some restrictions at the
time, and we really did not have a cause of death," Mercer said.
Exhuming the body, such as for DNA testing, isn't likely until
police can locate someone linked to him, according to Mercer.
Police distributed descriptions of the man's clothing, and
because of the lighter he had, even contacted the National
Lighter Museum in Oklahoma, hoping for leads and clues to his
identity. The lighter model was widely distributed, police said.
"It is all to no avail," Mercer said. "I had always hoped to
identify him before I retire. A lot of time was expended, but
with no results, I'm afraid."
Milford police are still investigating two unidentified remains
cases that date back to the early 1990s.
On Aug. 21, 1992, people walking in the woods off Oronoque Road
in Milford found the body of an Asian man in his early to mid
20s. The victim had been shot multiple times and rolled up in a
rug. His case is listed on the NamUs database. The site
indicates DNA testing was not done, but investigators do have
his dental X-rays. He is also on the Doe Network.
Also in Milford, on March 24, 1994, a city public works crew
found a male headless torso in a bag, also near Oronoque Road by
the Housatonic River. The torso case hadn't been entered into
NamUs as of Friday.
Officer Jeffrey Nielsen, spokesman for the Milford police, said
both cases are active investigations. Investigators received an
inquiry on the torso case as recently as December from Canada,
but the remains didn't match, according to Nielsen, who said the
torso case likely hasn't been put on NamUs because of the lack
of identifying information.
"We are hopeful any open investigation can be solved," Nielsen
said. "One of the obstacles for the torso case is that there are
no dental records or fingerprints to go off of, no limbs with
tattoos, which are all helpful in identifying. When these cases
happened, DNA databases weren't available."
"You need to have identifying information on the people -- you
need things for comparison," Nielsen said.
Lee said he was involved in investigating the Milford
dismembering case.
"That victim was more than likely not from Connecticut," Lee
said. "No missing person matched that individual. Either the
person was from another place and came to Connecticut and was
killed here, or was murdered someplace else and dumped in
Milford."
According to Lee, while technology has improved for identifying
remains, investigators still face obstacles such as time and
staffing. "Technology has changed tremendously -- we now have
databases," Lee said. "Police departments are pretty busy and
have new cases. Sometimes, when nobody in a family is pushing
and police have new cases, and the laboratory people have a big
backlog, a lot of cases fall through the cracks, with nobody
really pursuing them. It is possible, if they were focused on,
they would be solved. Reviewing the cases takes a lot of time
and manpower."
Lee noted that the National Cold Case Center at the Henry C. Lee
Institute of Forensic Science at the University of New Haven has
had success at solving old cases, but investigators have to ask
for their assistance.
State police spokesman Lt. J. Paul Vance said he doesn't know
exactly how many unidentified remains cases there are in the
state.
Vance said he doesn't think staffing at the laboratory is an
issue.
When asked why it is so difficult to identify these people,
Vance said, "Sometimes there are no identifiers, or there is
nothing on file to compare them to, even if the information is
entered into a database."
Kenna Quinet, associate professor of criminal justice, law &
public safety at Indiana University-Purdue University, said some
long unsolved cases may fall under the category of the "missing
missing," or unidentified people who were never reported
missing.
These individuals often are prostitutes, homeless, drug addicts,
children who have been kicked out of their homes, undocumented
immigrants, or people who lost contact with family and friends,
according to Quinet.
"There's really two levels, one group of people who are never
missed by anyone, and others who are eventually missed but there
is a significant delay in the missing report -- days, weeks,
months, even years," Quinet said. "That obviously makes for a
difficult investigation for police."
"I think we are underestimating the number of homicides and the
number of serial murders in the U.S. because we are not counting
the 'missing missing,' and some people are not only never
reported as missing, but we never find the body," Quinet said.
Visit the Missing in Connecticut Facebook page at
Facebook.com/MissingInCT.
Call Michelle Tuccitto Sullo at 203-789-5707. Follow her on
Twitter @nhrinvestigate.
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Re: ORONOQUE ROAD JOHN DOE: MA, 18-25, found near Milford railro
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By: Akoya Date: March 13, 2020, 12:38 pm
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Oronoque Rd John Doe
June 11, 2018 By Alice
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Milford Police in Connecticut is asking for your help to
identify this man. I have named him Oronoque Rd John Doe as this
was where the unidentified man was found in August 21, 1992.
Milford Police Detective Mitchell Warwick told News8 the
following: on August 21,1992 two pedestrians found skeletal
remains wrapped in a blanket across the street from train tracks
not far from the Housatonic River.
The state medical examiner said that the unidentified man was
shot twice in the head. The article does not state the caliber
or the side of the head. It also doesn’t specify whether the man
had any other trauma. The man’s DNA showed him to be of Asian
heritage, between 18-25 years old, and between 5’3 to 5’6 inches
tall.
“They determined the victim had probably been in that area up to
1 or 2 months prior,” said Warwick. “The investigators ran down
many leads, all ended in dead ends.” With the help of a forensic
artist a 3D skull reconstruction was made in hopes that if
people see it, they will recognize the man.
Milford Police also hopes to solve another cold case from the
same area on Oronoque Road. This one is from March 1994. Milford
Public Works employees saw a green military style duffel bag
down a bank along the Housatonic River.
Police found inside a male torso that was wrapped in plastic
bags and in a motel-style comforter. The head, arms and legs
were missing and never found. A piece of the chest was cut out
in what police believe was a way to remove a tattoo or mark that
would identify the victim. This victim is of Hispanic heritage,
between 20-27 years old, approx. 5’5 inches tall, and weighing
120-130 pounds.
Det. Warwick is not ruling out a connection between the cold
cases but “the manner and means of which the men were killed and
their bodies disposed show significant differences.”
If you have any information please contact Detective Mitchell
Warwick at [email protected] or call (203) 878-6551.
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Re: ORONOQUE ROAD JOHN DOE: MA, 18-25, found near Milford railro
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Milford, Connecticut
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Re: ORONOQUE ROAD JOHN DOE: MA, 18-25, found near Milford railro
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By: Akoya Date: March 13, 2020, 12:43 pm
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HTML http://unidentified.wikia.com/wiki/New_Haven_County_John_Doe_(1992)
New Haven County John Doe (1992)
New Haven County John Doe was a male found murdered in
Connecticut in 1992.
Sex Male
Race Asian
Location Milford, Connecticut
Found August 21, 1992
Unidentified for 26 years
Postmortem interval 6 months prior
Body condition Skeletal
Age approximation 18-30
Height approximation 5'5 - 5'6
Weight approximation 120-130 pounds
Cause of death Gunshot (homicide)
New Haven County John Doe was a male found murdered in
Connecticut in 1992.
Gallery
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1714UMCT2 LARGE
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Re: ORONOQUE ROAD JOHN DOE: MA, 18-25, found near Milford railro
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Exclusive: 3-D Image could provide new answers to 25-year cold
case
Milford Police hope newly released 3-D sketch will provide
answers to cold case.
By: George Colli
Updated: May 04, 2018 05:27 PM EDT
Milford - Milford Police hope a newly released 3-D sketch will
provide answers to a more than 25-year old cold case.
The image shows what police believe is the face of a still
unidentified man found dead along the side of the Oronoque Rd in
August 1992.
Milford Police Detective Mitchell Warwick says police were
called to the area on August 21,1992 after two pedestrians found
skeletal remains wrapped in a blanket.
The state medical examiner determined the victim was shot twice
in the head and dumped across the street from train tracks not
far from the Housatonic River. DNA analysis estimates the victim
to be an 18-25 year old Asian man standing 5’3 to 5’6 inches
tall.
“They determined the victim had probably been in that area up to
1 or 2 months prior,” said Warwick. “The investigators ran down
many leads, all ended in dead ends.”
Recently, a forensic artist used images of the victims skull to
create a rendering of what the victim possibly looked like.
Warwick hopes the release of the sketch will bring new leads to
the case.
It’s not the only cold case murder Milford Police are
investigating from the same area of Oronoque Road from March
1994.
That day, Warwick says a couple Milford Public Works employees
noticed a green military style duffel bag down a bank along the
Housatonic River. Upon inspection, the workers noticed what
looked like a human bone.
Police discovered a male torso, wrapped in plastic bags and a
motel-style comforter. The head, arms and legs were missing and
never found. A piece of the chest was cut out in what police
believe was a way to remove a tattoo or mark that would identify
the victim.
The victim is believed to be a 20-27 year old Hispanic standing
5'5 inches tall and weighing 120-130 pounds.
Warwick says he is not ruling out the two are murders connected,
but the manner and means of which the men were killed and their
bodies disposed show significant differences.
He’s hoping for the public’s help in finding out who these men
were.
“There’s family members, a mother and father possibly sister and
brother who never knew what happened to their son or brother,”
said Warwick. “So the first step would be to identify these
victims and try to provide some answers to the family.
Anyone with any information are asked to contact Milford Police.
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