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#Post#: 442--------------------------------------------------
Ethical obligations of the strange
DIR By: SameAsItEverWas
Date: September 26, 2021, 3:39 pm
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Hi all, I had a stray thought I wanted to run by you today! We
talk all the time about strange and dangerous beings with
strange powers, many of whom seem to be intelligent, so I
started to wonder - what would be the ideal, ethical way for
beings with strange abilities to act? What rules or principles
should govern super-human/paranormal abilities?
Of course there's the obvious principle of using your powers for
good, with great power comes great responsibility, etc. But
would these beings be ethically obligated to, for example, allow
themselves to be studied? Do they have ethical obligations that
would override any right to privacy? Do they have an obligation
to use their powers as little as possible, or an obligation to
try to increase their powers to be able to do more good? If
they're attacked by some sort of hunter, do they have the right
to self-defense? What if they're harmed by an oblivious human
who's just living a normal human life, but that normal human
life is incompatible with this entity's well-being - does the
entity have a right to fight back?
Just thought it was an interesting philosophical thought
experiment!
#Post#: 446--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ethical obligations of the strange
DIR By: dtwn4sty
Date: September 26, 2021, 4:19 pm
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speaking from my own experiences, talking of the things in
prosper: every person in a society has the duty to take care of
those around them (man or beast) to the best of their abilities
but it is natural instinct to defend oneself when physically
harmed, so i cannot fault anything or anyone for fighting back.
(honestly, if something isn't fighting back? something has gone
wrong in research for my hunt.)
strange creatures aren't often intelligent enough to understand
the inclinations of those trying to study them, but the few i've
met that can understand are sometimes willing to cooperate -
other times they still want to, like, rip out your organs or
something lol. i feel bad for the scientists.
in the ideal world we would all be able to coexist and help one
another but that does not seem to be an option with the more...
volatile beings. many the things in prosper are born out of the
worst parts of humanity. i don't think the majority of the
creatures here are intelligent enough to have obligations tied
to them, or any sort of conscience. they are just acting off of
instinct. but again, in the cases of those who are able to, i
think everyone and everything is obligated to contribute to the
betterment of those around them in any way that they can. (not
in an ableist way - worth isn't measured by ability and
contributions don't have to be what the average member of our
shitty society would consider them to be.)
but i dunno. i'm not a philosopher.
#Post#: 448--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ethical obligations of the strange
DIR By: XxX_BUBBLEGUM_B1TCH_XxX
Date: September 26, 2021, 7:56 pm
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--- Quote from: SameAsItEverWas link ---
> But would these beings be ethically obligated to, for example,
allow themselves to be studied? Do they have ethical obligations
that would override any right to privacy?
--- End Quote ---
no fkn way. if sum superbeing existed it shud b allowd 2 chill.
choice, nt obligation.
--- Quote ---
> Do they have an obligation to use their powers as little as
possible, or an obligation to try to increase their powers to be
able to do more good? If they're attacked by some sort of
hunter, do they have the right to self-defense? What if they're
harmed by an oblivious human who's just living a normal human
life, but that normal human life is incompatible with this
entity's well-being - does the entity have a right to fight
back?
>
> Just thought it was an interesting philosophical thought
experiment!
>
--- End Quote ---
neither, yes, yes. id say its gd 2 do good, but not an
obligation. also for that last 1, ignorance aint an excuse if ur
harmin someone.
thats jus my 2c, pure hypofetical yeah? x
and dtwn babes, i luv ur commitment but pls, OP literally said
this is a thoguht experiment.
#Post#: 449--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ethical obligations of the strange
DIR By: dtwn4sty
Date: September 26, 2021, 9:05 pm
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--- Quote from: XxX_BUBBLEGUM_B1TCH_XxX link ---
>
> and dtwn babes, i luv ur commitment but pls, OP literally said
this is a thoguht experiment.[/color]
>
--- End Quote ---
i have no idea what a thought experiment is, i have never taken
a philosophy class in my life
#Post#: 451--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ethical obligations of the strange
DIR By: XxX_BUBBLEGUM_B1TCH_XxX
Date: September 26, 2021, 9:13 pm
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then mayB u shud stop postin in the thread abt a thought
experiment x
#Post#: 452--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ethical obligations of the strange
DIR By: dtwn4sty
Date: September 26, 2021, 9:16 pm
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--- Quote from: XxX_BUBBLEGUM_B1TCH_XxX link ---
>
> then mayB u shud stop postin in the thread abt a thought
experiment x
>
--- End Quote ---
i am contributing like actual facts while you think real hard
lol
#Post#: 457--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ethical obligations of the strange
DIR By: notadoctor
Date: September 26, 2021, 9:23 pm
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this thought experiment is doomed to fail because it has an
internally inconsistent premise. the discussion of ethics
requires a foundation of logic. the hypothetical existence of
strange beings requires logic to be understood as fallible and
incomplete. how can they coexist?
if a strange being were to exist that can make two contradictory
things be true, for example make something both a square and a
circle, both there and not there, etc, then why can't a strange
being exist that can make something be both horrifically cruel
and perfectly moral? if a being exists outside of logic then by
definition it also exists outside of ethics.
maybe its only options are to cower in fear and live in a
gutless facsimile of inapplicable human morals, forever failing
at doing so, or to embrace a sort of nietzchean view of ethics
as being only to do as it will. or to just preemptively
self-terminate in recognition of its inability to ethically live
among humans
#Post#: 458--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ethical obligations of the strange
DIR By: XxX_BUBBLEGUM_B1TCH_XxX
Date: September 26, 2021, 9:24 pm
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--- Quote from: dtwn4sty link ---
>
> [quote author=XxX_BUBBLEGUM_B1TCH_XxX
link=topic=43.msg451#msg451 date=1632708780]
> then mayB u shud stop postin in the thread abt a thought
experiment x
>
--- End Quote ---
i am contributing like actual facts while you think real hard
lol
[/quote]
no ur derailing the thread wiv ur made up facts
#Post#: 459--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ethical obligations of the strange
DIR By: dtwn4sty
Date: September 26, 2021, 9:25 pm
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--- Quote from: notadoctor link ---
>
> maybe its only options are to cower in fear and live in a
gutless facsimile of inapplicable human morals, forever failing
at doing so, or to embrace a sort of nietzchean view of ethics
as being only to do as it will. or to just preemptively
self-terminate in recognition of its inability to ethically live
among humans
>
--- End Quote ---
are you okay, homie?
#Post#: 460--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ethical obligations of the strange
DIR By: XxX_BUBBLEGUM_B1TCH_XxX
Date: September 26, 2021, 9:28 pm
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--- Quote from: notadoctor link ---
>
> this thought experiment is doomed to fail because it has an
internally inconsistent premise. the discussion of ethics
requires a foundation of logic. the hypothetical existence of
strange beings requires logic to be understood as fallible and
incomplete. how can they coexist?
>
> if a strange being were to exist that can make two
contradictory things be true, for example make something both a
square and a circle, both there and not there, etc, then why
can't a strange being exist that can make something be both
horrifically cruel and perfectly moral? if a being exists
outside of logic then by definition it also exists outside of
ethics.
>
> maybe its only options are to cower in fear and live in a
gutless facsimile of inapplicable human morals, forever failing
at doing so, or to embrace a sort of nietzchean view of ethics
as being only to do as it will. or to just preemptively
self-terminate in recognition of its inability to ethically live
among humans
>
--- End Quote ---
god your sexy
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