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Junior Goals Package - Want/Wanted
DIR By: mjh
Date: January 22, 2018, 5:01 pm
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Hi, can anyone give any knowledge on a junior package of:
To Want - To Be Wanted - To Not Want - To Not Be Wanted
Is this Life or non-Life? It appears to me to be fundamental /
core... It may be in the later material, which I haven't read
all of yet, it just occurred to me that it was 'Important' to
lots of beings!
Thanks!
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Re: Junior Goals Package - Want/Wanted
DIR By: Pete
Date: January 27, 2018, 2:39 pm
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Hi mjh
I have not tried that particular package. however, you do have
the option of trying it and seeing what happens. If you get
bogged down Dennis laid out how to get yourself out of
difficulty with non life packages.
i find i can stick with the To Be Known package though i make it
more real to me by changing it to:
forcing on another what they do not want
taking from another what they are unwilling to give
resisting another's attempt to take from me
resisting another's attempt to force on me what i do not want
with these definitions the To Be Known package bites and gets
lots of charge to run off.
Sincerely
Pete McLaughlin
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Re: Junior Goals Package - Want/Wanted
DIR By: David Cooke
Date: January 28, 2018, 6:24 am
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mjh and Pete, thank you for bringing up the issue of the goal To
Want. It's an interesting one.
I won't try to pontificate on whether it's a Life Goal or a
Non-life Goal, and as Pete says it can be tried out, with the
cautions that Dennis advised. The odd thing about "want" is that
it's within the "must" that occurs in all four legs of the games
matrix. If I "must know" something, I want to know it; if I
"must not be known" then I don't want to be known; and similarly
for every leg of every possible goal. In fact, any postulate is
a statement that a person wants to be so, in the sense that they
are deciding that it is so.
As Dennis also wrote, it's a good idea to check all the meanings
of a goal thoroughly in a dictionary. "Want" can mean "desire"
or "choose". But it can also sometimes mean "not have", "lack"
or "need" - which are all non-life in that they are opposed to
"be known". They're negatives and they ionize masses black.
Some people want to be wanted, or need to be needed, i.e.
they're dramatising Must Be Wanted. This is a pretty low-tone
business, and LRH explaind its liability in terms of energy
flows in Philadelphia Doctorate lecture 26 'Flows:
Charcteristics of'. Many things that people want - or think that
they want - can be self-destructive.
Cheers,
David
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Re: Junior Goals Package - Want/Wanted
DIR By: Gone Fabian
Date: February 11, 2018, 3:40 pm
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In working with concepts like "TO WANT" I always try to be aware
of the side of myself that is called the human ape.
This beast (no insult intended) most likely has it's own version
of this thing running all the time. And you should not run
spiritual processes on your body. Wrong tools.
TROM was created to be run on a spirit (you), it will not repair
your iPhone or your body.
I can recall mixing up my body and myself on running Grade 2
(problems) on another type of "philosophy" many years ago. Not
pleasant..
My opinion is that this is usually not a big factor in TROM, but
I think you will run more cleanly and save time if you stay away
from your body's ongoing games.
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Re: Junior Goals Package - Want/Wanted
DIR By: mjh
Date: February 14, 2018, 11:19 am
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Thank you all - I've listened to the lectures and been reading a
bit more around this. The subject arose through a discussion
with a friend who had been resolving a moment of conception,
where when coming into being had the spiritual projection of his
father imposed upon him of 'not wanted'.
In going over this, I think the actual junior package may be
accepted in this circumstance.
I am not attempting to run these higher processes directly - I'm
still running around on Level 2 - but that will be the subject
of another post.
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Re: Junior Goals Package - Want/Wanted
DIR By: TromFan
Date: February 12, 2023, 9:19 am
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I absolutely, positively would not run it.
The cycle of postulate is first desire, then postulate, then
reasons why.
So running a package of 'to want' makes about as much sense as
saying the 'reasons why' for your postulate came before you
making that postulate. Now you are saying, "The desire came
after (or as part of) the postulate" or is the postulate itself.
Desire comes before the postulate. You don't postulate having a
desire for something. The desire exists first. The postulate is
the expression of the desire, I hope I have made myself clear.
In the instance of the father wanting the child or not, it's a
matter of 'to create' which would include 'to procreate'. I
personally would run the 'to sex' goals package, seeing as not
wanting a child could be some regret over having sex.
If something is wanted or not wanted, then it should be run as
the subject matter of level 5c then that particular thing wanted
or not wanted would be an enforcement if not wanted or a
complementary postulate situation if it is.
You could express the postulate of 'to know' as it already
exists as 'to want to know' and even express other junior goals
like sex as 'to want to sex'.
What you are saying here is you want to run a package of 'to
want to want' with one of its legs being 'want to not want',
that latter being an expression, by definition, of insanity--
having a postulate that contradicts itself, being you are
postulating two opposites at the same time.
A postulate of not wanting to be wanted opposes the positive
legs of the 'to know' goals package and is itself non-survival.
The subject arose through a discussion with a friend who had
been resolving a moment of conception, where when coming into
being had the spiritual projection of his father imposed upon
him of 'not wanted'.
The way to handle could be running babies at 5c as this is an
occurrence of a desire on the father's part of 'preventing
babies from being known' or could get really specific, like if
my name was Billy, it could be a desire to 'Prevent Billy from
being known". It could also just run out at 5A with the father
postulating 'must not know' right at the person who is not
wanted. If someone does not want you, then that's the not-know
postulate.
Addendum: This is actually the second time today I have had more
to add to answering this. Such a question really sparks in me a
curiosity as to just how misunderstood some TROM basics really
are.
The desire to be wanted would simply be the desire to be known.
The desire to not be wanted would be insane. The desire to want
could be interpreted as someone simply wanting to motivate
themselves. The desire to not want could be interpreted as a bad
habit one wants to break.
But one would not handle the above by running such a redundant,
and dangerous goals package. OK, the desire to be wanted is
simply covered by the desire to be known. It's in the basic
package. We don't mock up insane postulates in the 'self'
category like someone is opposing your conflicting postulates of
wanting to be not wanted with a postulate to want you. I can
only imagine how that could spin someone. But as far as
motivating oneself, and motivating others, that could be run as
'to motivate' and that would be in the 'to control' goals
package, and also stopping a bad habit could also be in the 'to
control' goals package'.
You COULD run 'wanting' or 'desire' at level 5c with no harm.
Someone trying to manipulate you into wanting them, like women
do with men and vice versa could be 'forcing to know desire',
for example. But in order for the goal of 'to want' to work, it
would have to be done at level 5c. I am pretty sure at 5b it
will spin you.
The only other thing I can think of (for now, LOL) is that
trying to make others desire an effect or not desire an effect
would be an element of games play, and wanting to want and
wanting to not want and wanting others to not want you would be
a goal that could only exist in games play. You don't run goals
like that. Dennis uses 'to win' as an example of this. I am
getting complex here--- to want to be wanted or to want to want
implies a game already exists. How could one want to be wanted
without a game already in play? He can't do this by himself, he
has to be wanted by another player.
The goals that can exist outside of games play can be run. Those
are the ones put forth at life goals in the writeup.
To say you want to want is immediately an admission to wanting
something. It's also saying, "I don't want to want" if you have
to make a postulate to want something.
You could look at desire as a concept, but once you do, then you
understand why such a concept would have to be run at 5c. Like
to not want would be a spiritual goal of ridding oneself of
desire, like Lao Tzu advises in the Tao Te Ching.
I could go on and on with all the contradictions and pitfalls of
postulating to want something, but I think after rambling on
long enough, it all boils down to the fact that a postulate is
already a want. That's the fundamental misunderstanding.
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