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Noticing No More Change and Balancing the process
DIR By: mjh
Date: December 27, 2017, 8:15 am
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I am new here! So 'Hi' to everyone - I trust that all are well
and expanding...
1 - I have a query about running these processes - it appears
that one runs a process on one side, say Level 2 Differences
until there is no more change, then you stop and run
Similarities until no more change - do this repeatedly until...
no more change.
How does one categorise or recognise when there is 'no more
change'? In my space, this could be infinite - thus it would
become overrun. If I did it till I became bored, then I would
see bored as change and have to work through that, ad infinitum.
This got me thinking, is it the increase of personal awareness
to gain the skill in recognising 'no more change' that is been
worked on here, or is that simply an effect of the process doing
its work?
2 - I am an engineer with a scientific slant, and I see the
fixation on one side (difference) then the other (similarity) as
unbalanced, so [and I know this is changing the process, so
please let me know if this is considered a 'no-no' scenario as
the technology behind the process means this cannot work or some
such info] , if the TROMer were to pick an object from the past
then find one in PT, recognise a difference, then recognise a
similarity, and repeat - then choose another object and repeat -
will that have the same/different result?
It just seems that when running Level 2 - I cannot help but do
this unconsciously and it feels 'right', I know both on viewing
the PT object.
#Post#: 246--------------------------------------------------
Re: Noticing No More Change and Balancing the process
DIR By: Pete
Date: December 29, 2017, 4:42 pm
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Hi MJH
Have you ever watched a movie that really upset you? That was a
change.
Let’s say it was Godzilla and you find every time you think
about Godzilla you feel upset, fearful, nauseated etc.
That is the change referred to.
Now if you deliberately run a process of thinking about Godzilla
while keeping your attention on the room around you the upset
will turn on. You think about Godzilla again and the upset gets
less. You think about Godzilla many times and gradually you
become blasé about Godzilla. Eventually you can create
Godzillas by the dozen and do this happily all day long. That
is no change.
On question 2. Part of what you are doing in TROM is learning
to focus you attention on specific things. You focus on the past
item then focus on the present time item etc.
Keeping the process simple in my experience works best. A two
step process works better than a three step process.
One of the good things about TROM is that you can experiment
with how you apply it to your case at will. If you really screw
up and tie yourself in mental knots you can run RI and get
yourself back on an even keel.
Sincerely
Pete
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Re: Noticing No More Change and Balancing the process
DIR By: TromFan
Date: January 8, 2025, 4:12 am
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Pete wrote:
One of the good things about TROM is that you can experiment
with how you apply it to your case at will.
I don't recommend this. I recommend doing it the way Dennis
wrote it in the manual.
TROM is a comprehensive program intended to achieve a finite
result. It's not just some sort of first aid.
And if you mis-apply TROM, yeah, doing some R.I. will stabilize
your case, but it's going to take more than that to un-do the
damage. If you read and understand the manual you'll know
Dennis talks about how you'll need repairs that go beyond "a
little bit of R.I." even if it's just because you made a mistake
(like running a goals package that turns out to be non-life,
just for example).
Now Peter is saying you can just 'experiment' with it?
This is dangerous advice.
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