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#Post#: 99--------------------------------------------------
Alan Walter talks about 'BUG' in material TROM addresses
DIR By: Mike
Date: April 11, 2014, 12:01 pm
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Hi,
Alan Walter once talked on ESMB about there being a 'Bugged'
area he spotted in TROM and from his
own research into the Games Matrix he'd run into (see comment
below), Wondering if anybody had thoughts on this
'Bug' and what it is?
Post #17 20071026-1945
I kind of got the impression that Alan had spotted a "bug" in
the TROM program....but
maybe I just mis-perceived it.
Alan: It is a bug - it was the same bug that stopped me from
issuing the Games Matrix Materials.
About a year ago I found the answer to it.
But how to get others to handle the bug was what stalled me out.
It is a built-in self-created "bouncer" that has multiple
sources that causes the being to "flee" from
going into the area needed to be handled.
It appears in order to be honorable - the being shut down the
area - then barred entrance to
contacting and erasing the area.
The contact point is full of excuses, justifications and
tremendous inertia that pushes the being away
from handling and erasing what needs to be faced up to.
Just getting processors willing to co-process it was a trip unto
itself. It has taken me a year to get 6
people set-up to co-process this stuff.
#Post#: 134--------------------------------------------------
Re: Alan Walter talks about 'BUG' in material TROM addresses
DIR By: Spirit neutral
Date: August 22, 2014, 10:11 pm
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Yes I agree there is a big in trom. But once you spot the bug it
works. But it's not trom it's the mind. The big i see is when
looking for "must not be knows" the mind says must not look- so
it bounces you out. It's like a double wammy.
#Post#: 140--------------------------------------------------
Re: Alan Walter talks about 'BUG' in material TROM addresses
DIR By: Gone Fabian
Date: August 25, 2014, 4:35 am
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Yes, Alan Walter was a master in the marketing area. He could
build impressive organizations in a field that was only half way
working.
But my experience with the elite guys in orgs is that most of
them had a good portion of manic tendencies, everything should
be fantastic.
A more workable truth is that nothing needs to be fantastic, it
just needs to work ;D
I can also see the point of the theory that Alan was referring
to a bug in the area of postulates in general, not TROM.
Very possible...
In doing TROM at a slow pace and reading the materials several
times, I have never been able to find a real bug in the theory.
And I have found 4 or 5 real destructive bugs in Scio, major
stuff (at least mind shattering for me). I believe TROM is as
clean as it gets.
Of course there are areas he doesn't mention, but the materials
work without it. And one discovers these areas along the way
anyway..
#Post#: 141--------------------------------------------------
Re: Alan Walter talks about 'BUG' in material TROM addresses
DIR By: Colleen
Date: August 25, 2014, 12:24 pm
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Yes, Alan W. was master of hyperbole and had some of his own
self-promotional game strategies. At the same time he knew how
to keep people interested in resolving their case.
It is no surprise to me that any auditor might read Trom and
then decide how to use the material for their own practice:
Line the incidents up under one or more junior goals packages
(whatever indicates to the client).
#Post#: 142--------------------------------------------------
Re: Alan Walter talks about 'BUG' in material TROM addresses
DIR By: Mike
Date: August 25, 2014, 3:31 pm
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I've found the thoroughness of the Knowledgism rundowns really
something wonderful though, so Alan Walter is definitely
somebody whose work I don't take lightly(not to suggest anyone
was!). To be able to run the charge out and inspect the
individual moods(tones) relating to an item or identity was a
game changer for me I never experienced in SCN.
#Post#: 143--------------------------------------------------
Re: Alan Walter talks about 'BUG' in material TROM addresses
DIR By: Spirit neutral
Date: August 25, 2014, 10:17 pm
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--- Quote from: Gone Fabian link ---
>
> Yes, Alan Walter was a master in the marketing area. He could
build impressive organizations in a field that was only half way
working.
> But my experience with the elite guys in orgs is that most of
them had a good portion of manic tendencies, everything should
be fantastic.
>
> A more workable truth is that nothing needs to be fantastic,
it just needs to work ;D
>
> I can also see the point of the theory that Alan was referring
to a bug in the area of postulates in general, not TROM.
> Very possible...
> In doing TROM at a slow pace and reading the materials several
times, I have never been able to find a real bug in the theory.
>
> And I have found 4 or 5 real destructive bugs in Scio, major
stuff (at least mind shattering for me). I believe TROM is as
clean as it gets.
> Of course there are areas he doesn't mention, but the
materials work without it. And one discovers these areas along
the way anyway..
>
--- End Quote ---
Just curious what bugs have you found in Scientology?
Understanding some of it ripped my mind up for years.
#Post#: 144--------------------------------------------------
Re: Alan Walter talks about 'BUG' in material TROM addresses
DIR By: Gone Fabian
Date: August 26, 2014, 3:45 pm
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This is just a short answer, there are other stuff too :)
1. Romance and sex are some of the most charged areas in people,
more or less ignored in Scio caused by LRH's blind spots in that
area. Dennis gave a hint of this and he is spot on.
2. Lots of actions considered overts are natural behavior for
the GE. This creates wrong indications in session and messes up
the PC.
3. The Conditions are not correct, non-ex and upwards are normal
good actions for a person. On the lower conditions he suddenly
has placed you in a group (where did that come from?) and then
makes you wrong because you don't agree with the group that he
has invented. This is mixing apples and potatoes.
4. Incident 2 (of OT3) is based on a lie, the overpopulation
story is false. If that one is believed it makes everyone here
into innocent victims, something that is very far from the truth
on that incident. So even if you run OT3 on yourself and others
you will build up charge by accepting the false EARLIER story of
why the whole thing happened.
5. There is an other factor regarding the body of the PCs today
that hinders his progress, I will not go into details but it's
physical in nature and not unlike the drug situation handled on
Purif. This creates a PTP of a type LRH had no possibility to
know anything about in 1947-1967. Not so destructive in a TROM
situation because TROM is done solo. But very destructive and
creating false indications in an org or church environment. It
happened to me.
6. Dennis has (on a tape) pointed out the big flaw in Scio
Ethics, that LRH thinks that all no-gain PCs are suppressives
because all suppressives had no gains. Listen to the tape, it's
fun.
These are the things that just came up right now, possibly I
have 6 more in the morning...
#Post#: 145--------------------------------------------------
Re: Alan Walter talks about 'BUG' in material TROM addresses
DIR By: Spirit neutral
Date: August 27, 2014, 2:38 pm
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I see what you mean, strange you can go from non existence to a
group. Ron was definitely charged up on the sex dynamic.
For me the biggest thing was using words that are grammatically
strange instead of the common usuage. Like affinity instead of
liking, thetan instead of spirit, etcetera. It's like it's a
trap to make you think and get into his game. Also I found a lot
of contridictory things as you have.
As to trom I havnt found a bug per say but the mind makes lots
of bugs when your looking for them.
#Post#: 146--------------------------------------------------
Re: Alan Walter talks about 'BUG' in material TROM addresses
DIR By: Gone Fabian
Date: August 27, 2014, 5:22 pm
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You have my agreement there, I think both SPIRIT and LIKING are
good enough.
#Post#: 360--------------------------------------------------
Re: Alan Walter talks about 'BUG' in material TROM addresses
DIR By: Colleen
Date: July 15, 2018, 1:07 pm
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--- Quote from: Cory link ---
>
> Yes I agree there is a big in trom. But once you spot the bug
it works. But it's not trom it's the mind. The big i see is when
looking for "must not be knows" the mind says must not look- so
it bounces you out. It's like a double wammy.
>
--- End Quote ---
Could it also be that the To Know matrix is from the analytical
mind, not the bank, or reactive mind?
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