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Doing Level Two with regard to Persons
DIR By: Colleen
Date: March 9, 2014, 10:53 am
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Attached is a post from Paul Tipon on how he ran Level Two
regarding Persons. He brought the "then" person up against a
"now" object in his environment. Of course the differences
would be greater than the similarities.
When I first read the instructions I assumed Dennis meant
objects against objects and persons against persons. To do
persons though I would either have to have pictures of people in
front of me as "now" persons, or I would have to simply bring up
two people side by side from different locations (not the same
incident). Of course, in that case, similarities would be
greater -- even greater than differences I would say -- and more
charge would run off. In fact, at this stage of mental
compulsion one's life could flash before their eyes regarding an
importance that might come up when comparing persons with
persons.
I have yet to compare persons with objects.
#Post#: 73--------------------------------------------------
Re: Doing Level Two with regard to Persons
DIR By: Colleen
Date: March 9, 2014, 11:21 am
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I copied over a post from the Trom email list. This is from
Ralph Clouse, Class VI (uninterned) auditor, a Trommer, and who
is also delivering Grade Two (overts and withholds) to me:
Hi Colleen
The difference between persons and objects would seem obvious.
Similarities is not so obvious.
Apparent life to apparent non-life
Whereas person to person there would be a more obvious /
important relationship and similarity of beingness
characteristics, there by restimulation factor of a past person
whom is charged in your mind, impressing itself in the NOW via
similar personality traits and or looks, judgements, conclusions
etc of a person in PT.
I would think experience in Level 2 exercises using then persons
with now persons a very desirable gradient in preparation for
level 3,4,5 Timebreaking.
Keep on TROMing
Ralph
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Re: Doing Level Two with regard to Persons
DIR By: Colleen
Date: March 9, 2014, 11:48 am
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In most of my Level 2 sessions the charge is in the
similarities, not the differences. The old A=A=A spoken of in
Dianetics.
I could not yet find the reference but I thought somewhere
Dennis says the main purpose of running differences is for
balance.
#Post#: 94--------------------------------------------------
Re: Doing Level Two with regard to Persons
DIR By: David Cooke
Date: March 16, 2014, 7:55 pm
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I think that's a good point about the charge being in the
similarities, running out the times we have wrongly perceived
different things as being the same, even though Dennis put it
the other way in the lecture Level 2 TROM:
So we are separating all the time, every time we are doing the
command on Level 2, the “Difference” command, we're separating
out all the time and we are running all the “similarities”
simply to keep the flow balanced out, that's all.
Either way, it's plain that both similarities and differences
need to be run.
On Level 2 I had mostly compared past people with present
objects; trees worked well for this. I also tried bringing a
recall of my late mother up against my wife in PT, this
timebroke very quickly. For example, my mother was the taller of
the two - I'd just never remarked that fact before, never having
seen them together in life.
Timebreaking persons against objects seems reasonable
considering that all we are timebreaking is their body, which is
just another created effect. I don't think it's possible to
timebreak the persons themselves (thetans) since they are
causes, not effects. But I'm inclined now to try a Level 2
session in a busy place outdoors, as someone suggested on the
mailing list, to see if anything more can be got from
timebreaking persons against persons.
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Re: Doing Level Two with regard to Persons
DIR By: Tim Lewis
Date: April 19, 2014, 7:44 pm
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The charge is on similarities for me also. As Colleen mentioned
the old A=A=A=A equation. I love the simplistic approach Dennis
used for taking back the function of bring up images and then
comparing them in PT and the shredding of the mind begins....
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Re: Doing Level Two with regard to Persons
DIR By: Colleen
Date: April 19, 2014, 11:29 pm
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Hi, Tim,
Yes I agree. Scientologists however are used to "timebreaking"
in other ways, although I don't think they are as efficient as
Dennis' method.
#Post#: 444--------------------------------------------------
Re: Doing Level Two with regard to Persons
DIR By: guest54
Date: April 1, 2019, 1:22 am
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I timebroke people against objects and had no problem. If I
really wanted to timebreak against another person, I would just
timebreak that person against myself, which worked wonderfully.
I am a person, right?
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