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Help for level 5
DIR By: Lago
Date: November 26, 2021, 12:59 pm
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Hello, I am new to the forum. I am a Spanish speaker and I live
in Spain. I have decided to do TROM and I am using online
translators to translate the documentation. I have complete
understanding of levels 2, 3 and almost level 4. But I find
level 5 more complex. With the translations I don't have enough
to understand the basic procedure of handling, for example, 1A.
I have found additional information that has helped me for a
better understanding of TROM at
HTML http://rolfdane.com/TROMtech/trom.htm.
But I am still stuck in
understanding the first step of level 5, even after reading
Dennis' lecture : "The Tape transcript by Mr Stephens for
running level 5".
Could someone, in his own words, tell me how he does the
procedure of step 1A of the postulate failure cycle chart?
Thanks.
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Re: Help for level 5
DIR By: Dmitry
Date: November 27, 2021, 4:24 am
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Hello!
You wrote that You have complete understanding of levels 2, 3
and almost level 4. But what about lvl completion? What about
verifying lvl completion on e-meter? And what about RI(lvl1)? I
think complete understanding of each lvl might appear only when
lvl is finished. Also doing lvl5 without other levels finished
might be dangerous. I had that experience.
You asked to give explanation in onw words. I'll try, but
please, don't do that before all others lvls finished.
The idea of lvl5 is to use raw postulates and game situations.
Raw postulate is pure goal without any specific object\effect.
For example, postulate "I want to eat hot dog" is not raw. "I
want to eat something" looks better. Lets change some words: "I
want to eat something" = "I want to feel taste and fullnes" = "I
want to know feeling of taste and fullnes". So it's not raw too
because there are concrete objects (concrete taste and fillnes).
But the postulate "I want to know feeling of taste and fullnes"
= "I want to know" is raw enough. "I want to know" includes
all situations with eating hot dogs and other food. So we can't
work with raw postulate instead of working with particular.
So in TROM and Scientology PC tries to do consciously what
Reactive Mind does automatically. PC does it to overcome the
automaticity of reactive mind. At lvl5 PC creates two postulate:
one for himself and second for the other. It's very simple.
Create your desire to know something in front of you. Create
someone else desire to prevent you from knowing in other place.
Hold both some time. At that moment a lot of charge goes off, it
dissapears and you need a lot of RI. Or you need to go to a
hospital if previous lvls undone. You do what your mind does
automatically. You create two postulates in opposition, and your
mind does the same all time of your life but in silent mode.
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Re: Help for level 5
DIR By: Lago
Date: November 27, 2021, 5:42 pm
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Hello Dmitry,
Thank you for your information. A simple sentence of yours in
the answer "You create two postulates in opposition..." has
helped me a lot in understanding how to start in the future
level 5.
I have not started TROM yet. When I say I have understanding I
mean that what I have translated and read is material that I can
use to do TROM with assurance.
I don't know how easy it must be for English speakers to
understand how to read the TROM documentation in their own
language. But I can tell you from my experience that translating
certain information online into Spanish is a chaos. I can give
you as an example the 8 classes of overwhelm and its definition.
It appears from the Spanish usage of the verbs “Saber/Conocer”
that 1. “Forced to know” and 5. “Forced to be known” have the
same translation. From there...
Thanks for the advice not to do anything before the previous
levels are finished. I wouldn't even think of it, out of respect
for what I already know.
Years ago I was declared Clear in the Freezone. And now I'm
looking forward to continuing to blaze the trail.
Thank you.
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Re: Help for level 5
DIR By: Dmitry
Date: November 28, 2021, 1:33 am
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--- Quote ---
> When I say I have understanding I mean that what I have
translated and read is material that I can use to do TROM with
assurance.
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Ok! Sorry for misunderstanging :) And good luck in TROMing.
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Re: Help for level 5
DIR By: Colleen
Date: February 6, 2022, 4:00 am
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Thank you for the Rolf Dane link to what he calls "Super Trom".
I really appreciate that.
Level Five has me looking at the forest and not each tree in the
forest - for now. It is there for me when I am ready for it -
limb by limb, lol :D
With the prior levels I know exactly what Dennis is prepping us
for.
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