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Re: Bubble Technology and the null-'To Know' Package
DIR By: TromFan
Date: May 1, 2024, 5:56 pm
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He said "Being that has done level five" not you specifically,
Khepri. I think he's Russian. He meant to say "a being". The
Russian language doesn't have 'the' or 'a' in it. That's
probably what confused you.
It's possible for someone to rise to the level of being an
authority on TROM. It's not some mystical thing where like Moses
saw God and no one else did. It's a science. A science can be
mastered by those who have studied it and practiced it. That's
the whole point of science, the transfer of knowledge.
BTW, with all your complaining about off-topic videos, you post
a music video to respond to someone? Are the members of Public
Enemy even Trommers?
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Re: Bubble Technology and the null-'To Know' Package
DIR By: mjh
Date: May 2, 2024, 12:08 am
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The song is called 'Don't believe the hype' it links directly to
my previous post are you that stupid?
#Post#: 1149--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bubble Technology and the null-'To Know' Package
DIR By: TromFan
Date: May 2, 2024, 3:10 am
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...and my videos that I've posted on yours and other people's
threads contain data that relate to that thread. You'd know that
if you took the time to watch them. They're all about TROM. We
are talking about TROM on this forum, right? If someone watches
one of my videos that I post on a thread, they'll learn
something about TROM. Watching that music video is only
entertaining.
But like I said, I agreed not to post any more of my videos on
any of your threads. You are welcome to post anything you want
about anything you like on any of mine. My communication lines
are very wide open. I mean, you might get an argument from me
here and there, but I'm never going to try and shut you up or
outright insult you.
I've complemented your postulate, and you should recognize that.
And I'm not at all stupid. I'm just having my fun. Arguments
produce games sensations for me, as I am sure they do for you as
well.
But seriously... Make your priority getting through the TROM
levels. And if you have any questions that pop up or need help
understanding something TROM-related, you can ask me. I won't
hold this outright rudeness towards me against you. I'm willing
to help anyone who needs it, in any case condition.
I'm not a self-promoting person. If I were, I'd go public with
my identity instead of using AI voices and paying a professional
voice actor on my videos. I make no money on TROM. I charge
nothing for any of my services or my book, not like that other
guy who acts like an authority on TROM yet mis-spells
"complementary" in his lecture transcripts or even cares to
correct how he mis-spelled 'supplemental' on his site no matter
how many times I've brought it to his attention, and has no idea
how to put out a book that even meets minimum publishing
standards or could possibly be comprehended by laymen. You can
thank him for your confusions about TROM. I'm offering to get
you out of them.
It's not about me. It's about the subject. But you're so
concerned about the sanctity of your threads you can't see that.
You make it about you.
I'll get off your threads. Have your last word if that's what
you need to get your havingness up.
While our little disagreements are amusing at times, it's more
important for me to get back in session and do some promotional
actions for TROM that are actually going to bring some certainty
to people on the subject rather than keep them guessing and
speculating.
You might just want to do the same thing. Trust me, you'll be
much happier if you do.
To anyone reading this, if you enjoy having endless
conversations about TROM theory and tossing your opinions back
and forth about it, I am sure our friend Khepri can accommodate
you. If you want clear-cut, precise instructions on exercises,
and explanations on theory that will leave you with a certainty
of what you are studying, feel free to message me privately. I
know my Scientology and my TROM like the back of my hand and
it's my intention to bring as many people as I can to that same
level of certainty.
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Re: Bubble Technology and the null-'To Know' Package
DIR By: excuseme
Date: May 5, 2024, 5:22 pm
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--- Quote from: Khepri link ---
>
> Also, I've never claimed to be an authority on this. There is
only 1 authority, and that is Dennis anyone else is only an
opinion.
>
--- End Quote ---
Guys, what I have said was about any Being, generally. It does
not have connection with Khepri specifically. I agree that there
should be 1 authority. Although, as Dennis himself said, Beings
can take this material further, but it can't be done at the
expense of the original material. Original material should
always stand on its own. What I meant is that an advanced Being
(or a group) if It would desire could rediscover/design Bubbles
procedure and present it as a possible technique to others for
their evaluation etc. That's what I meant
Before that I asked Kephri if he had some new insights about
Bubbles because of his practice, that maybe led to confusion
Also, sorry if my English reads broken!
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Re: Bubble Technology and the null-'To Know' Package
DIR By: excuseme
Date: May 5, 2024, 5:41 pm
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--- Quote from: TromFan link ---
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> He said "Being that has done level five" not you specifically,
Khepri. I think he's Russian. He meant to say "a being". The
Russian language doesn't have 'the' or 'a' in it. That's
probably what confused you.
>
> It's possible for someone to rise to the level of being an
authority on TROM. It's not some mystical thing where like Moses
saw God and no one else did. It's a science. A science can be
mastered by those who have studied it and practiced it. That's
the whole point of science, the transfer of knowledge.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
You're right about Russian language. Sorry I missed the article
folks, it can be tough sometimes being bilingual. I learned
English itself mainly through crazy ventures into spiritual
technologies. Thank God English is not that difficult
Yes as I said, I believe it is possible to make advancements
when you are high enough. One of the reasons why Scientology is
failing is that it become absolutely frozen with LRH declaring
himself as the only source. I know people who worked in Scio
orgs in Russia during its expansion here in the 90s, and they
were not allowed to use Internet because it was forbidden as
suppressive technology.
At the same time, any coin has two sides. That's my experience
as well that people would rather create some weird sh*t than do
a real practice even for a few years. It's a given — I remember
some folks created The «Resolution of Reality» tech on russian
forum (lol), some continuing to develop new and exciting
technologies xD
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Re: Bubble Technology and the null-'To Know' Package
DIR By: Ransom Stark
Date: May 30, 2024, 6:56 pm
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> Does anyone know anything more about the Bubble Technology
Dennis talks about on the Loose Ends tape?
DHS was a Scientologist and so he was using terms coined by LRH,
the creator of Scientology. "Bubble" was one of them:
1. BUBBLE - an illusion or delusion (LRH used it in Saint Hill
Special Briefing Course that DHS as we know attended)
2. BUBBLE GUM INCIDENT:
A) an incident on the track where you are hit with motion
and finally develop an obsession about motion. (I wish you to
carefully note these very technical
terms like bubble gum)
B) the first incident on the track that has any words in
it and is usually the last incident on the track of any
magnitude that has any words in it for millions of
years afterward. It sits there all by itself. It's a
verbal implant, a thought implant.
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Re: Bubble Technology and the null-'To Know' Package
DIR By: Ransom Stark
Date: May 30, 2024, 7:21 pm
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A couple of words on keeping the tech.
DHS didn't seem to have a game to clear the planet. How come so
you ask? It's simple. He invented the "ultimate tech", handed
over to Peter H McLaughlin and left. If not Peter no one will
ever find out about TROM. DHS asked not to alter the material
but that was just a wish. He didn't wear a hat of keeping TROM
unaltered and thus working.
LRH had a completely different situation. He did have a goal to
clear the planet (that was actually a first step in the bigger
plan) and he did wear a hat of keeping the tech unaltered and
thus working (see the definition of technology if you will).
So both of the guys wanted to keep the tech unaltered and thus
working. The difference is that DHS wished us not to and left
while LRH was seeing that it was done.
___
DHS on LRH: ("L. RON HUBBARD THE MAN THAT I KNEW")
Finally at this late stage in my life I can assure you that in
1994 I’m not the same person that I was as the person who knew
him in September 1952. I can assure you that I’m quite a
different person. The stars are no longer in my eyes. But I
think I can view the man much more objectively now than I could
then.
What is my final summation and assessment? Well, as a
psychotherapist he was second to none and was undoubtedly the
greatest man in his field of this century. There is absolutely
no doubt about that -that [and] his researches and his additions
to the sum total of human knowledge of the human psyche.
...
The man in his field was a genius, there’s no doubt about that.
He was a genius. He was a flawed genius. But the man can be
excused for being a flawed genius. We’re very, very fortunate to
have had Ron, very, very fortunate. People don’t know how
fortunate we were to have Ron Hubbard.
...
Yes as I say we were very, very fortunate. Most of the planet
don’t know how fortunate we were to have Ron during that period
1911 to 1983. And we certainly, the vast majority of mankind,
didn’t appreciate his genius. Sure he was a flawed genius. Most
geniuses are you know. The last perfect genius, well, I think
they nailed him up on a cross. So I think Ron could be excused
for being a flawed genius.
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Re: Bubble Technology and the null-'To Know' Package
DIR By: TromFan
Date: June 2, 2024, 10:27 pm
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JayDee, you have a good point about how Dennis just 'wished' it
was unaltered but didn't really do anything about it.
I wonder what Dennis would say if he ever saw TromHelp.org. I
told Pete he was more than welcome to post my video on TROM
Level One on the webpage that talks about R.I. yet he keeps up
those Yawn Guy videos. Pete suggests to people doing the Sedona
method before starting level two. The site is full of links to
places with "other answers' than TROM. You'd think Dennis would
have left the subject in the hands of someone with better
literacy skills. But maybe he couldn't really check this out
because of his glaucoma.
I am thankful to Khepri for correcting a ton of Pete's
transcription errors when he published "TROM the full package".
Pete was a mixed blessing for the subject.
Here's something Ron was more responsible about too, and that
was the use of study technology. Scientology books and courses
are presented on a gradient (simplest to hardest concepts put in
order) and he made sure tech training films were produced too.
He also defined every last one of his words, not making
assumptions that students already knew them. Well, maybe he did
not personally, but Scientology course supervisors at least make
sure you understand words.
TROM the original manual starts you out learning the postulate
failure cycle chart which is way too high a gradient for a
layman. He never had someone come up with visual aids under his
direction, and he did not define all the necessary terms in his
manual. He also omitted vital explanations in that book, which,
thankfully he clarified in the 90s, but he didn't then go update
his book to make sure they were in there.
It also would have helped if Dennis came up with his own level
one process for the five percent that don't get gains from R.I.
but instead just says, "Go see a Scientologist and have him run
CCH on you"
Dennis was a fantastic researcher, but he did little to preserve
the integrity and accessibility of his subject.
Anyway, despite Ron's efforts when he was alive, nowadays
Miscavige is altering the technology while claiming he is making
it more accurate. I looked at a coursepack recently and it was
so squirrel, if I were still a course supervisor I would have
walked right out of the courseroom and advised my students to
ask for a refund on my way out.
While Pete's a mixed blessing and maybe just incompetent, I
believe David's intent is to just plain destroy the subject.
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Re: Bubble Technology and the null-'To Know' Package
DIR By: Ransom Stark
Date: June 6, 2024, 5:00 am
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Legend says that Genghis Khan used to give "Kahan" or "Hahan"
rank/title to those who contributed so much that they would be
forgiven the next death penalty. Peter H McLaughlin earned the
title I believe.
Since Dennis didn't have a goal to make TROM widely known he
didn't write "TROM 101" or "TROM for Complete Beginners".
Those who have a goal to make TROM widely known can surely play
this game.
Running CCH on those who are not in a condition to use RI is the
working solution.
Just don't mix up the "Official Church of Scientology" name for
Scientology itself.
Ron has actually succeded, Scientology as a sum of Scientology
tech and Scientologists (those who are knowledgeable in the
field, study and apply it with positive goals) lives.
The "Official Church of Scientology" personnel on the other hand
has only a small fraction of materials they don't know how to
use and are not able to apply.
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Re: Bubble Technology and the null-'To Know' Package
DIR By: TromFan
Date: June 8, 2024, 8:31 am
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Dennis did make comments like, "TROM should be taught in
schools". He also said on a tape that all the Scientology
auditors can now go home, all we really need them for now is to
run CCH.
I don't really believe someone would come up with something
like TROM with the intent of it staying a small subject. I know
Dennis wanted people to have an alternative to Scientology. He
wouldn't say something like what I just quoted, which basically
amounts to "TROM replaces Scientology" unless he meant it.
I think you may be confusing this idea that Dennis wanted TROM
to 'stay small' because in another recording he said that he
researched and developed TROM, and he personally did not want to
peddle it, and he wanted someone else to.
Peter's not qualified to be that person. Sure, we can say his
heart was in the right place and he really tried hard, and we
should be thankful for that, and I am thankful to Peter, much
the same way I would be thankful if he gave me food on a dirty
plate which he could have easily cleaned, when I am starving to
death.
So, we can say Peter's intent came from a good place. And I
believed that it was 100% good all the way up to when I offered
to help him for free and he refused. He should be now, in no
uncertain terms, aware of all the things on his site and in his
books that repel people from TROM but won't even spell-check his
site. He won't even spend the ten or fifteen minutes it would
take to do that. He won't lift a finger to correct any of his
overt products, and he won't allow anyone else to. These are
HUGE red flags.
I don't want him to have the death penalty or be punished in any
other way. It's much better for me to warn people away from his
overt products and provide books and services the way he should
have in the first place, and offer my help if he needs it or
wants it. Hell, I can think of two other Trommers who would
probably help him with his issues if only he would ask if he has
a personal problem with me, which I can understand if he did.
It's not easy having one's mistakes pointed out to them and take
responsibility for them as well.
It's more important to me that the subject of TROM be accessible
to the masses and preserved so it will perpetuate through time
than it is to be polite to Pete, or anyone who sympathizes with
this, "Well, the product really sucks but I tried really hard"
attitude. That attitude is just not going to fly when someone is
trying to decide between TROM and Scientology and decides to go
with the subject that appears to have its act together.
Maybe I'll put the specifics on another post so I don't have to
make this one read like a novel, but currently, the Church is
altering key data and omitting important drills on the courses
they teach. I have a friend who showed me their Survival
Rundown course pack, and without barely reading it, I instantly
spotted several points of out-tech in it that would lessen the
value of that course, and LRH would have heads roll if he were
still alive today and saw them.
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