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#Post#: 769--------------------------------------------------
Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
DIR By: Jur93n
Date: August 5, 2021, 11:11 pm
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Interesting, since finding objects in PT and noting differences
and similarities should actually do the same. You are stating
complementary considerations all the time, over and over again.
e.g. differences:
the past object is friendly, the present time object is a threat
the past object is heavy, the present time object is light
the past object is not real to the body, the present time object
is real to the body
the past object when changed does not have consequences in
present time, the present time object when changed has
consequences in present time
the past object is boring, the present time object is
interesting
the past object is a then object, the present time object is a
now object
these are all complementary postulates
e.g. similarities
the past object is real to me, the present time object is real
to me
the past object has a shape, the present time object has a shape
the past object can be seen, the present time object can be seen
the past object can be touched, the present time object can be
touched
the past object has a temperature, the present time object has a
temperature
the past object is in the now, the present time object is in the
now
the past object has a purpose/significance, the present time
object has a purpose/significance
#Post#: 770--------------------------------------------------
Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
DIR By: Dmitry
Date: August 6, 2021, 12:12 am
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I think i have weak informational flow from past to present. So
I need to make past objects say hello to me :)
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> noting differences and similarities should actually do the
same
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Should in theory, but not in my case.
#Post#: 771--------------------------------------------------
Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
DIR By: Jur93n
Date: August 6, 2021, 1:23 am
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Ok Dmitry, if it produces change then run out all of the
changes.
#Post#: 772--------------------------------------------------
Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
DIR By: Dmitry
Date: August 6, 2021, 7:14 am
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ok, i will ))
now process transformed into:
1. send particle to past object
2. let past object send particle to you
3. RI
I need 10 secs of RI after 3 particles sent.
#Post#: 780--------------------------------------------------
Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
DIR By: Dmitry
Date: August 19, 2021, 2:27 am
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Stuck again lol :)
#Post#: 781--------------------------------------------------
Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
DIR By: Jur93n
Date: August 19, 2021, 7:23 am
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Hi Dmitry,
The only thing i can think of is that you may need to run RI a
lot (if in doubt, run RI).
Although objects on level 2 are quiet and i am doing bodies now,
i still sometimes run RI for half an hour before i can even
start.
#Post#: 782--------------------------------------------------
Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
DIR By: Dmitry
Date: August 19, 2021, 7:54 am
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:) thank you for trying help, Jur93n!
I ran perception RI for about half an hour today on my balcony,
no change, RI was flat.
I think my problem is lack of visio.
I have a question. Why when I have dreams at night - i have
perfect visio?)) But not after waking up.
Usually when I start view past scene - it dissapears in a sec
and my attention jumps in present time.
#Post#: 783--------------------------------------------------
Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
DIR By: Dmitry
Date: August 19, 2021, 8:02 am
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Dennis had perfect visio long before TROM or professional oditor
trainig:
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> Another big case again I made in my Dianetic auditing with
Nobby was that I had been a black case when I started my
auditing, I was a black case and about two or three months after
I started, roundabout Christmas 1950, I was in session with him
one day and I remember it very, very clearly that I had this, I
was in a road... and I knew the road very well near my childhood
home, and there was a front door in front of me and I needed to
know the number of the house. Well I knew the number was on the
front door. Though I couldn't see the number on the door, I knew
the number was there. See, case wise I had accurate impressions,
accurate sonic impressions and accurate visual impressions but I
was black, I never saw anything.
> I was a black case. I had no actual visual field, or to put it
another way, I had a black field. Whichever way you like. I was
what was known as a black case. But anyway, in that session
there suddenly I said to myself, the hell with this, I want to
see what that number is on that door and I started to mentally
look at the number on the door and suddenly a chink appeared in
the blackness and the blackness started to move away and there
was the number. There was the door, there was the road, there
was the pavement, there was everything just as I'd remembers it,
just as I knew it was as a child. There was the street, there
was the memory in complete technicolor. My blackness
disappeared. By the end of the session I could move up and down
my time track in full technicolor visio. The blackness had just
gone instantly. It was just my... I realized many years
afterwards it was simply my power, my intention to see the
number on the door. In other words, it was just the power of the
spirit. I was intended to see, to break the blackness and I
broke it. It was my blackness and I intended to see through it
and I saw through it and got rid of it. I didn't need it
anymore. Looking back in retrospect, I realized I've never had
any need of pictures in my mind as a child and so I've never
looked at my past properly. I could always recall what I wanted
to recall and I've never actually had a need to look at things
in great detail in my past and so, of course, I've never had the
ability to do so. I'd never cultivated the ability. When I got
into Dianetics, I needed that ability and so I created that
ability to do it and I broke the blackness and started to see in
full technicolor which I could have done at any time if I had
really put my mind to it. I firmly believe that all black cases
are of that nature. They simply have never learnt the ability,
they've never needed the ability. If they really... could be
guided to break the blackness any time they want to.
> Anyway in later years when... I became quite an expert on
black cases because of my subjective experience of being a black
case when I started off in therapy and breaking my own occlusion
gave me... I. was an authority on the subject, the black case.
There was no other Scientologist I knew in London who had been a
black case and had broken his blackness. I was the only one so I
was quite justified in calling myself an authority on the
subject of black cases. But one should not take away the good
auditing I got from Nobby because without that auditing I would
have never broken through that black field. So one cannot
detract from the fine auditing I got from my co?auditor. He made
it, he really did make it possible even though in the final
instance, of course, it was the preclear that did it, so the
acclaim must go to the co?auditor, to the auditor in the session
who did it. So it was a positive mark for my auditor, Nobby, who
broke through my blackness for me.
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Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
DIR By: guest62
Date: August 19, 2021, 3:01 pm
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good questions
I wouldn't use the emeter but if its working for you now, then
continue as long as its actually helping you produce results.
You wont need it latter on. Youll see the mental mass and
timebreak it out as fast as it apears. You can feel it like you
feel a chair or a table or a bowling ball. its actual solidity .
Mental mass solidity. Solids are solid by definition , mental
solidity and non mental solidity and both forms of solidity .
The solidity of your mental mass is what you are after. Its
either solid in a heavy way or its less solid in a lighter way
or its not solid at all .
PURE life energy has zero density and zero solidly
Solidity in general can be determined and evaluated by using
the white to black color scale
White has zero solidity and can be considered as pure life
energy . AKA life.
blue has a little solidity
green has a little more all the way down to black which is as
solid cold and round as you can get at the bottom of the scale .
its white
blue
green
red
yellow
magenta
cyan and black .
side note ( a new born baby drinks white milk for the first time
it feeds and poops black tar the first time it poops )
Milk enters the mouth located on the top front of body and exits
out the bottem rear as a more solid form and a darker color.
Black tar ,
Find all the opposites and dont forget to include the swinging
arms and legs that also move in every possible opposite
direction at same time.
When we eat food it goes straight down and THEN begins to curve
through intestines. More opposites
IF you think trom has nothing to do with opposites , you have
too much mental mass to see it .
TROM address complementary and opposing postulates in conflict
or unison.
Its about self and others
its about origin and receipt
its about knowing and not knowing , know and not know , the
grand daddy of them all .
forcing and preventing and all of these have directions and
flows .
end of note )
Any result or change for the better you experience using TROM is
a good thing and it will enable you to find even more items to
time break as you go. Its a progressive result that
exponentially helps you become more and more able as you go
towards L5.
We cant separate objectives from subjectivity but we can learn
to use them together as a single item . They both need to exist
as a single unit in order to fully understand them separately .
Hot and cold are two poles of same item and so are up and down .
We can know that self and others are a set of two poles of the
same item. Just because we can doesn't mean we must . Not
knowing is just as needed as knowing .
I use L5 PFCC regarding as effect in my life allot but not as
much as Id like to . You can use it to your advantage in some
ways but it can also bite you in the ass in other ways .
The best we can do is understand that it is what it is and that
its woven into life weather we know of it or not.
TROM is going to be different in some ways and similar in other
ways from one person to the next .
We all have similar bodys and different minds. Similar minds and
different bodies , You need to do the best you can with what you
have to work with .
The best I can do for you is to have you re-read the games
manual and return to L2. Then 3 4 and 5.
#Post#: 792--------------------------------------------------
Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
DIR By: Dmitry
Date: August 19, 2021, 4:05 pm
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> IF you think trom has nothing to do with opposites , you have
too much mental mass to see it .
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I work with opposites couple month ago. Most charged was "I and
others". The problem with the opposites is to find charged one.
It was hard for me like finding charged scene ???
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> its actual solidity . Mental mass solidity.
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> The solidity of your mental mass is what you are after.
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Thank you :) it helped!!! I've focused my attention on any
solidity( mental or real ), and changes and charges started to
go out.
So simple...
--- Quote ---
> You can feel it like you feel a chair or a table or a bowling
ball. its actual solidity .
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lol :) hope so!!! Years ago I felt a lot of unpleasant emotions
and tensions in my body while working, talking with people or
just walking in park.
Now its all gone and its a problem to find charge to get perfect
e-meter reads for L3 test completion.
Thank you!!! I will hunt solidity now 8)
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