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#Post#: 747--------------------------------------------------
How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
DIR By: Dmitry
Date: August 1, 2021, 1:31 am
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I think Im now doing lvl 3.
I timebroke all past scenes which I could find.
But I have no floating needle on e-meter.
So when I look at e-meter, the charge starts to rise and go out
from my body and mind.
Today I worked with e-meter and got a past scene where I was
buying a bag.
I was a little bit nervous here 10 years ago. But only with
e-meter I got some changes and released some charge.
So help me pls.
How can I find charged past scene without e-meter?
How can I find charge in known past scenes, that look like
timebroken without e-meter?
:)
#Post#: 748--------------------------------------------------
Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
DIR By: Jur93n
Date: August 1, 2021, 3:55 am
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As far as I have prepared myself for L3 and have understood it
is that you are not looking for charge.
You are exercising general timebreaking, you are not looking for
charge. You are building up your
ability and willingness (able and willing) to timebreak past
scenes. On L2 it was about objects, at L3 it is about past
scenes which is a wider scope of dealing with things.
So i think you are too focused on hunting for charge, that is
not the goal of L3.
Note: TROM does not point at anything stating it as important,
however i feel you are making charge important.
#Post#: 749--------------------------------------------------
Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
DIR By: Dmitry
Date: August 1, 2021, 5:08 am
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Thank you :) :) :)
I try to understand your answer.
So, ok, I wont hunt charge now.
--- Quote ---
>
> You are building up your
> ability and willingness (able and willing) to timebreak past
scenes.
--- End Quote ---
I have tons of willingness and lack of ability ))) ha-ha
DHS:
--- Quote ---
> The general action of simultaneously viewing a ‘then’ and a
‘now’ scene is called Timebreaking.
--- End Quote ---
Ok, how can I be sure that I see past and now simultaneously?
Comparision comands of L2 produce no change.
For example I have a cute dice from past. And a cup from now.
I can find differences and similaritys and do it for 10 minutes
with no effects.
When I try to view - dice just dissapears in a sec.
How can I be sure that dice is timebroken? Is there any test?
#Post#: 750--------------------------------------------------
Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
DIR By: Jur93n
Date: August 1, 2021, 5:38 am
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Did you actually do the command pairs c+d and e+f. You need to
spend some time on the find command (c and e), this is a command
as well as the mentioning of the difference/similarity.
As for "seeing", i am not so obsessed with actually seeing. On
Level 3 you should be able to notice the intensity (mustness,
enforcement) of a scene and the scene should fall away in
intensity compared to present time, that is what you are looking
for on L3.
Knowing that you are done with that object on L2 is through
noticing "no more change". For me now on L2 I start to see
change in myself in terms of relaxation, more easily holding and
moving the past object in PT to find an object that is
different/similar. So that is still a change, in the beginning
it was mostly yawning and sometimes dozing off or getting fog
headed. For me now it has become to not only hold the past
object and finding PT objects but also to be aware of myself
more and more (and i see that as a change). It is true for me
that it becomes progressively easier to "to place the ‘then’ and
‘now’ objects side by side" for comparison, no more heavy
yawning etc.., however i feel i am still changing.
Like Dennis mentions "Don’t rush the exercises; nothing is to be
gained by so doing".
#Post#: 751--------------------------------------------------
Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
DIR By: Dmitry
Date: August 1, 2021, 6:07 am
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Thank you! Your answer helped!
I have found a mistake in my L2 doing with your help.
I was just comparing. Not looking around for new different and
similar objects.
--- Quote ---
> d)
> Repeat c) and d) (Its permissible to use the same pt object
over and over again if you wish) until no more change; then:
--- End Quote ---
Its permissible to use the same pt object, but when I have
started to use other pt objects L2 have started to produce
change again.
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> Like Dennis mentions "Don’t rush the exercises; nothing is to
be gained by so doing".
--- End Quote ---
haha)) i dont rush. Im so slow. I was doing L2 for 7 years)))
and got a lot of gains.
#Post#: 752--------------------------------------------------
Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
DIR By: Jur93n
Date: August 1, 2021, 6:07 am
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Actually for myself i am using the example of learning a new
(split) keyboard (www.splitkb.com, the keyboard name is Kyria,
ortho linear with column stagger) as well as a new layout (not
QWERTY but RSTHD). To (re)learn typing in the beginning is
soooooooo slow and you need to think sooooo much which hand and
which finger to use to get to the key (frustration and other
emotions will surface, impatience, even sometimes wanting to
give up learning this kind of touch typing), but after a couple
of months it starts to get better and better. The most advice
you get from others that have learned this touch typing skill is
"do not focus on speed, focus on every time hitting the correct
key, your speed will improve without you having to focus on it
or forcing it" (exactly what Dennis is saying with not rushing
the exercise).
So my approach with Level 2 is to execute each command in a
conscious relaxed way (like feeling the keys of the keyboard
under my fingers), moving the past object around in PT (finding
an object), then stopping deliberately at a PT object (typing
the correct key) and then mentioning the difference/similarity
(seeing the letter on the screen of my computer), over and over
again. Keep telling myself that Level 2 is the very fundament
(as an ability) of Trom, so better to get it right. Once I am
convinced Level 2 does nothing you will likely find yourself
automatically move to Level 3.
#Post#: 753--------------------------------------------------
Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
DIR By: Dmitry
Date: August 1, 2021, 6:12 am
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Thank you :) nice metaphor. I ll try.
--- Quote ---
> You need to spend some time on the find command (c and e),
this is a command as well as the mentioning of the
difference/similarity.
--- End Quote ---
Thank you for this again :) This is the best advice I had on L2
for the last years.
#Post#: 754--------------------------------------------------
Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
DIR By: Jur93n
Date: August 1, 2021, 6:21 am
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Just like you i have spend a lot of time on L2. Actually i have
made the same mistake as you by not doing the "find an object"
consciously sometimes not doing it at all. However it is a key
component of the exercise. The same for command (a) "select a
past scene" and (b) "Select an object from this scene", i now
also do that very consciously instead of quickly remembering an
object from the past.
But those commands might feel sooo slow and frustrating that we
have a tendency to skip them, but they are an integral part of
the exercise.
#Post#: 755--------------------------------------------------
Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
DIR By: Dmitry
Date: August 1, 2021, 6:51 am
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oh :'( L2 have stopped.
Sory Jur93n :) Looks like I'm doomed :D
#Post#: 756--------------------------------------------------
Re: How can I find charged past scene without e-meter
DIR By: Jur93n
Date: August 1, 2021, 6:53 am
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What do you mean by "L2 have stopped."?
If in doubt, run RI. Actually before and after a Level 2 session
i still spend some good time making sure RI is producing no
change.
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