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Self imposed standard(s)
DIR By: Jur93n
Date: July 18, 2021, 3:12 am
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Hi everyone,
I have pondered on something that I would like to ask some of
you more experienced Trommers and perhaps debunk some of my
possible misconception.
Q: Is it true that once you are on level 3 you will actually be
able to see (and even be able to hear) past scenes?
I feel I am putting hidden standards on myself and I just want
to compare with others how they perceive things on level 3.
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Re: Self imposed standard(s)
DIR By: Colleen
Date: July 18, 2021, 8:49 am
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As was Dennis' initial case, it is hard for me to see unless I
do six directions on what little bit I do see in front of me.
If I'm having a hard time seeing I can also do "Reach and
Withdraw". Either one gets me to see. I don't hear so much as
I see the actions and intentions of those interactions, and
emotional/sensational content. Sometimes I have to drop down to
Level Two, and even Dennis talks about that.
--- Quote from: Jur93n link ---
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I have pondered on something that I would like to ask some of
you more experienced Trommers and perhaps debunk some of my
possible misconception.
>
> Q: Is it true that once you are on level 3 you will actually
be able to see (and even be able to hear) past scenes?
>
> I feel I am putting hidden standards on myself and I just want
to compare with others how they perceive things on level 3.
>
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Re: Self imposed standard(s)
DIR By: Jur93n
Date: July 18, 2021, 8:42 pm
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Hello Karalee, thank you for your reply. Although I know that
Dennis did not make these points requirements for any of the
levels I just wanted a confirmation from another Trommer to put
this thing to rest. As a being I seem to be pretty tough on
myself and I have realized that I should relax (dissolve the
mustness) way way more.
Again thank you for your reply, means a lot to me.
Jurgen
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Re: Self imposed standard(s)
DIR By: Colleen
Date: July 18, 2021, 10:10 pm
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My pleasure. Even RI I don't really see, but my intention
carries the day and I get huge releases of psychic energy - big
yawns - and then the room is more "here" and mind is quiet and I
get some damned good ideas to boot. During a session though,
doing six directions always gets me to seeing enough - even if
cloudy - to get the floating needle and expanded viewpoints.
I'm sure it only gets better. :) I have worse handicaps to
doing TROM full on than the small problem of not seeing in
technicolor :)
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Re: Self imposed standard(s)
DIR By: Jur93n
Date: July 18, 2021, 10:23 pm
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Karalee, indeed when I do RI I also do not see my creations as a
continues presence. The only thing I see is either a quick
glimpse after which it is hidden from me, other times I see a
very very ghostly creation but not completely only parts I focus
on. For me it is the same with past objects, it is like I am
invalidating myself because of not seeing the past object/scene
with my eyes, also very short or ghostly impressions.
Anyhow, I do see/feel progress so I just persist and continue
the exercises until they are as flat as can be.
Thanks Karalee.... wish you well!
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Re: Self imposed standard(s)
DIR By: Dmitry
Date: July 26, 2021, 2:46 am
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> when I do RI I also do not see my creations as a continues
presence. The only thing I see is either a quick glimpse after
which it is hidden from me, other times I see a very very
ghostly creation but not completely only parts I focus on. For
me it is the same with past objects, it is like I am
invalidating myself because of not seeing the past object/scene
with my eyes, also very short or ghostly impressions.
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I have same perceptions, very quick glipmse visio. I think I am
black case.
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> Q: Is it true that once you are on level 3 you will actually
be able to see (and even be able to hear) past scenes?
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In my case - answer is NO :)
Do you have an e-meter?
Dennis has created a test with e-meter to check lvl 3
completeion.
upd: But I'm not sure on what level I am now. Lvl2 doesnt work
now, Lvl3 too, but I cant pass the e-meter test, so I think I
made some mistakes.
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Re: Self imposed standard(s)
DIR By: Jur93n
Date: July 27, 2021, 12:02 am
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I did have an e-meter many years ago but decided not to use it
because I found it to be a distraction and eventually you had to
stop using it. So I prefer relying on being on my own.
I do not think I am in a position to give advice to you on where
you are at. The only thing I would say is to do a lot of RI,
since you are in doubt.
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Re: Self imposed standard(s)
DIR By: guest62
Date: August 21, 2021, 12:20 pm
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I could see images from day one using trom, but I also did
allot of Dianetics and Scientology in the 80's as a head start .
I use Positive AND Negative attributes in my environment for my
objectives
Subjects describe the Objects we see hear smell taste etc etc
in our mind. They are inseparable and you wont find one without
its other half . They are two poles of same item and two sides
of same coin .
Anything considered important also grants importance to its
absence.
In other words if you consider money important, you MUST also
consider its absence just as important
If you consider your children important , their absence is also
important but in an opposite way .
Important job ? better not lose it because its too important to
lose.
Importance IS matter . It matters It literally matters and its
the same " matter" as any kind of matter . Matter has mass and
density but its the importance that puts it there.
when we love someone we want them close to us and feel bad when
they are far away
when we hate someone we want them far from us and feel good when
they are gone
when someone we love feels good , we do to
when someone we love feels bad , we do to
when someone we hate feels bad we feel good
when someone we hate feels good we feel bad
This is what the torus is all about . Not so much the subjects
but the unity and duality of subjects
We can apply the way of the torus to any object and any subject
. EVERYTHING in life, and its not being used correctly by
anyone I know of other than myself
feelings are emotional and are not arbitrary. Its determined by
the symmetry of the torus
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Re: Self imposed standard(s)
DIR By: Colleen
Date: September 2, 2021, 11:55 am
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Good you have a good grasp on duality. Dennis' former work, the
Tao Te Ching taught me all that, followed by hundreds of hours
of "looking" :)
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> I could see images from day one using trom, but I also did
allot of Dianetics and Scientology in the 80's as a head start .
>
> I use Positive AND Negative attributes in my environment for
my objectives
>
> Subjects describe the Objects we see hear smell taste etc
etc in our mind. They are inseparable and you wont find one
without its other half . They are two poles of same item and two
sides of same coin .
>
> Anything considered important also grants importance to its
absence.
>
> In other words if you consider money important, you MUST also
consider its absence just as important
>
> If you consider your children important , their absence is
also important but in an opposite way .
>
> Important job ? better not lose it because its too important
to lose.
>
> Importance IS matter . It matters It literally matters and its
the same " matter" as any kind of matter . Matter has mass and
density but its the importance that puts it there.
>
> when we love someone we want them close to us and feel bad
when they are far away
> when we hate someone we want them far from us and feel good
when they are gone
> when someone we love feels good , we do to
> when someone we love feels bad , we do to
> when someone we hate feels bad we feel good
> when someone we hate feels good we feel bad
>
> This is what the torus is all about . Not so much the subjects
but the unity and duality of subjects
>
> We can apply the way of the torus to any object and any
subject . EVERYTHING in life, and its not being used correctly
by anyone I know of other than myself
>
> feelings are emotional and are not arbitrary. Its determined
by the symmetry of the torus
>
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