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KSW and the double-bind
DIR By: TromFan
Date: October 5, 2019, 9:43 am
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From keeping Scientology Working:
"If you can’t graduate them with their good sense appealed to
and wisdom shining, graduate them in such a state of shock
they’ll have nightmares if they contemplate squirreling...…….
When somebody enrolls, consider he or she has joined up for the
duration of the universe—never permit an “open-minded” approach.
If they’re going to quit let them quit fast. If they enrolled,
they’re aboard, and if they’re aboard, they’re here on the same
terms as the rest of us—win or die in the attempt. Never let
them be half-minded about being Scientologists. "
When I first started doing TROM I had a terrible terrible time
sorting out my identity regarding Scientology. I was auditor
trained and a course supervisor as well some time ago. KSW was
like the ten commandments for me. But now I am doing this other
thing that violates KSW.
I still like Scientology technology. I don't agree with every
last word, but I still practice it in my daily life. But the
Church itself has let me down in a lot of ways, a very personal
story for another time.
So I went around in circles in my mind, "Am I a Scientologist or
not?" and could not come up with a clear answer for myself on
that point, and spun on this for quite awhile.
I don't know if any of you have experienced any of this
yourself, but if you have, like me, here's something from the
book "Bond Breaking" where Dennis talks about a particular type
of double bind (that is a computation in the mind which says,
"If A, then B" and also, "If B, then A" making both A and B
equivalent in the mind, and eliminating the freedom of choice
for there to be neither A nor B, or be both A and B)
"The double bind, the Catch 22 can show up in a number of
guises. A person can come up to you and say “in this matter
you're either with us or you're against us” now that sounds
innocuous enough but as a matter of fact it's a double bind. He
is handing you a double bind on a plate.
If you agree with this situation that you're either with him or
against him then you are in the double bind. And you've trapped
yourself because when he says you're either with us or against
us he is denying you the freedom to be both with him and against
him, and he is denying you the freedom to be neither with him
nor against him.
He is insisting that you be either with him and not against him
or against him and not with him. Follow? That's the double bind,
the double bind situation, and one to be wary of."
KSW pretty much sets up a "for or against" situation, or
"squirrel or Scientologist" situation. It also raises the
"seriousness" or "importance" of the matter to a stellar level.
It takes a science, a technology, and reduces it to something
that involves a "loyal" or "traitor" duality. These things have
nothing to do with science.
I feel bad if I attack the Church, because the Church is not
100% bad. I don't want to support the Church because they are
not 100% good either. And while nothing is 100% of either, I
have never found something so well balanced in good and evil as
the Church (I am talking about the Church, not the tech itself).
So it's an insanity particle, not good enough to be called
good, not bad enough to be called bad, that yet insists you are
either for it or against it once you become aware of who they
are and what they do. Or to put it better, now that you "know
Scientology is the only valid science of the mind" you either
practice Scientology or nothing at all. Because if you practice
something else, knowing the "truth" then you are certainly
against Scientology.
It's only aberrative if you buy into it. And I did. I am sure
many of you here bought into this as well at one time in your
life. Reading "bond breaking" and examining this can bring some
relief on the subject.
I don't have to be a Scientologist to use Scientology any more
than I have to be a carpenter to use a hammer, or that by my use
of a hammer I am now a carpenter.
#Post#: 574--------------------------------------------------
Re: KSW and the double-bind
DIR By: guest62
Date: October 6, 2019, 9:05 pm
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COS = freedom factory for $. ALLOT OF MONEY . I paid $850 to
walk outside and spot something bright on the sunshine rundown .
That was all it took. I was the Examiner of a class 4 org. at
the time. I " blew " staff omg.
There nothing worse than ripping off people who are asking for
help with the everyday hardships and misunderstanding of life.
I paid $80 for a comm course that changed my life forever It
was the " hooker "
I was hooked but not that hooked. It was only a matter of time.
It didn't take long.
The MAster at arms came a knockin on my door the next day to
bring me back in .
Like that was going to change my mind ? I never paid the $850
nor anything for many hours of staff member auditing , In rd ,
DCSI etc etc.
Only the comm course and Purification RD came out of pocket and
it was way overpriced. I loved the Comm course and going
exterior. the EP for ot6 at the time was going exterior so I
felt like I got a good deal for $80 bucks. Still do too.
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