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#Post#: 522--------------------------------------------------
Can or should TROM be made widespread?
DIR By: TromFan
Date: July 9, 2019, 9:21 pm
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What would happen if TROM were mass-marketed and everyone knew
about it? Would it be understood? Can it be understood?
Leave a comment if your answer doesn't fit the cookie-cutter
responses.
#Post#: 523--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can or should TROM be made widespread?
DIR By: DavidCooke
Date: July 10, 2019, 9:13 am
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Thanks for offering this little game! :)
I hesitated between the second and third alternatives. Dennis’
materials are the real thing: ‘source’ if you will, and he
doesn’t use a lot of scientology terms. I wouldn’t want to write
anything that leads anyone away from the original materials.
But the more individuals write and discuss TROM in their own
words the better. We all have different cultural viewpoints, and
can see different applications of the fundamental ideas.
The real difficulty is that TROM points the way out of game
conditions. And not many people want that. LRH said that you can
only get a person to give up a game if you offer them another
game.
It’s easier to get people to accept stories of eight-armed
deities, galactic dictators or guardians of the 12 gates of the
underworld, than to give them the few simple facts that underlie
any world they create. It’s easy to sell a complex system that
promises more games sensation, helps athletes win medals, helps
businessmen make money. Games are sexy; TROM isn’t. So it may
always be valued only by people who have tried other systems and
found these only provide partial answers.
#Post#: 524--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can or should TROM be made widespread?
DIR By: TromFan
Date: July 10, 2019, 12:06 pm
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I think it's only in the currently published TROM a Games Manual
(not the original 1979) that over-burdens the reader with Scn
terminology in the first part, where, inserted before the main
text is Dennis talking about the GPMs, Analytical Mind and
Reactive Mind that the newbie becomes overwhelmed. And with a
glossary only ten terms long, one which doesn't even appear in
the text, its going to drive just about anyone away who doesn't
understand Scn. The glossary I made has dozens of terms that I
spotted in the text that the laymen needs defined.
Ron was right about most things. His attitude was different
than Dennis' but his data was mostly correct. Misunderstood
word phenomenon (losing comprehension from undefined words) is
indisputably correct.
(For anyone else reading this besides David, if you need those
terms defined, there is a glossary in "Read TROM here" in this
forum)
Scientologists go free in many ways, or better put, they get new
abilities and get rid of some of their case, but I don't think
Scientology resolves the compulsion to play games. I think Ron
died still a compulsive games player, as able as he was.
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Re: Can or should TROM be made widespread?
DIR By: Colleen
Date: June 19, 2021, 1:40 pm
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I love if there is a Trom Manual audiobook on Amazon.
The ruling calculating psychotics with their fantastical array
of technology would make sure that world-wide dissemination did
not happen - been there, done that. ::)
A being with a mind can be messed with many different ways -
been there, done that, and still alive to tell about it :-) But
I had a boss who did not live to tell about it.
The last thing you want is for Trommers or Trom to be on the
Oprah Winfrey show. Trust me, we are out-gunned and out-manned,
and Oprah is not on your side. However once our postulate powers
are greater than their technology .... let's see.
I would however love to see the CCH's become an established
mental health practice along with an early diagnosis of
psychotic tendencies. That might be allowed. Childhood group
processing in schools might also be allowed - just take it slow
and easy.
Remember, Dennis said the "gods" wish to destroy us - and have
fun while doing so.
And "truthers" like to talk about the reptilians - they've been
implanted from the egg to fear and hate humans - whatcha gonna
do? Then there are the non-corporeal gamers with this planet as
their playing field.
Have I said enough? Trom quietly for now.
#Post#: 669--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can or should TROM be made widespread?
DIR By: Colleen
Date: June 19, 2021, 1:46 pm
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--- Quote from: TromFan link ---
>
> I think it's only in the currently published TROM a Games
Manual (not the original 1979) that over-burdens the reader with
Scn terminology in the first part, where, inserted before the
main text is Dennis talking about the GPMs, Analytical Mind and
Reactive Mind that the newbie becomes overwhelmed. And with a
glossary only ten terms long, one which doesn't even appear in
the text, its going to drive just about anyone away who doesn't
understand Scn. The glossary I made has dozens of terms that I
spotted in the text that the laymen needs defined.
>
> Ron was right about most things. His attitude was different
than Dennis' but his data was mostly correct. Misunderstood
word phenomenon (losing comprehension from undefined words) is
indisputably correct.
>
> (For anyone else reading this besides David, if you need those
terms defined, there is a glossary in "Read TROM here" in this
forum)
>
> Scientologists go free in many ways, or better put, they get
new abilities and get rid of some of their case, but I don't
think Scientology resolves the compulsion to play games. I
think Ron died still a compulsive games player, as able as he
was.
>
--- End Quote ---
I wouldn't be here if not for Ron.
Ron started as a must-be-known - as I knew him - and went down a
notch before he died into a must-not-be-known.
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Re: Can or should TROM be made widespread?
DIR By: Colleen
Date: July 11, 2021, 4:28 pm
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Well put, David. I quote you here: "But the more individuals
write and discuss TROM in their own words the better." That
happens for me the more I actually do the practices.
Take RI, for example.
For example, in my Facebook group I call RI, "Creative
Visualization", and it is the same practice Dennis gives, just a
term they have heard of before. It helps them remove mental
drama re pain.
For example, with certain groups I use the term "re-framing"
(360 of course) instead of "Repair of Importances". Re-framing
of a timebroken scene was mainly Lester Levenson's repair
practice. Lester had prior to his release many sessions with a
psychiatrist - who finally gave up on him, lol.
Buddhist groups have a near-equivalent repair practice called
"lovingkindness". I would just add that they do a 360 on that.
Ramana Maharshi meditated and did a lot of perceptual RI walking
around and around his beloved mountain. Others may follow his
example without really knowing the true "why" - just that they
feel better. I don't know if that is something Ramana
intuitively did or if it was a standard exercise in his
religion.
Christians were instructed to take an attitude of thankfulness,
and I can personally attest that this also pushes the non-life
mental dramatizations away, satiates the mind - at least
temporarily. Would that be a repair or a process? Other than
that I don't plainly see what the Christian equivalent of RI
would be ???
In "Problems of Work", Hubbard gave us the walking practice,
which sounds like a watered-down version of perceptual RI. I
read in a book that Australian aboriginals made their mentally
ill do what they called a "walk-about". My Freezone auditor also
gave me a rudimentary RI, called "Six Directions", and we used
it to keep the session moving along. it was a revelation for me
to see that I could actually move a scene around - be more
causative :D
I think "Time Breaking" would be an okay term to bandy about and
even turn into a [hashtag] meme :) It would be good for people
to know that scenes are locational - near or far - until they
are vanished.
--- Quote from: DavidCooke link ---
>
> Thanks for offering this little game! :)
>
> I hesitated between the second and third alternatives.
Dennis’ materials are the real thing: ‘source’ if you will, and
he doesn’t use a lot of scientology terms. I wouldn’t want to
write anything that leads anyone away from the original
materials. But the more individuals write and discuss TROM in
their own words the better. We all have different cultural
viewpoints, and can see different applications of the
fundamental ideas.
>
> The real difficulty is that TROM points the way out of game
conditions. And not many people want that. LRH said that you can
only get a person to give up a game if you offer them another
game.
>
> It’s easier to get people to accept stories of eight-armed
deities, galactic dictators or guardians of the 12 gates of the
underworld, than to give them the few simple facts that underlie
any world they create. It’s easy to sell a complex system that
promises more games sensation, helps athletes win medals, helps
businessmen make money. Games are sexy; TROM isn’t. So it may
always be valued only by people who have tried other systems and
found these only provide partial answers.
>
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 711--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can or should TROM be made widespread?
DIR By: Jur93n
Date: July 11, 2021, 9:14 pm
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Keeping the source data as is, remember Dennis already warns us
in Level 2:
"Use RI liberally. Don’t be a martyr - run RI when the going
gets rough; you’ve nothing to gain by suffering any more than
you have to. This Level is designed to crack the compulsive
games condition you are currently in with your own mind. It does
it with ruthless efficiency - to the full extent you are
currently capable of achieving. But I’ll tell you this: once you
come out the other end you’ll have lost all fear of your own
mind. You’ll know with absolute certainty that there’s nothing
it can do to you that you can’t handle. You’re over the biggest
hump. The being who has successfully completed Level Two has
said good-bye to separate therapists: he now knows he can do
what has to be done alone. If this technology ever becomes lost
to mankind it will only be because some faint hearts could not
confront the horrors of Level Two, and so will change it all
into something pleasant - and useless. Never miss it: Level Two
is the only barrier that sits between mankind and the attaining
of Nirvana. He cannot face Level Two, and so he goes to a
separate therapist to help him through it - never realizing that
by so doing he has negated his own responsibility in the matter,
and so doomed himself to failure. He must do this step alone, or
he’ll never be able to cock a snook at his own mind; there is no
other choice."
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