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       pan determined postulates
   DIR By: Pete
       Date: June 14, 2019, 12:31 pm
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       Are you using pan determined postulates?
       Dennis make the point that when in playing games or interacting
       with others you and they are using self determined postulates to
       determine what you will do and you should create a
       pan-determined postulate and put it on your opponent to alter
       their self determined postulate.
       For example, i recently was contacted by the state tax office to
       collect sales tax on an out of state purchase i had made and had
       shipped to my home address.
       I realized that the sales tax code had just been changed so now
       the state was attempting to collect revenue from anyone who had
       made out of state purchases.
       I responded to the agent that i did not recall what he was
       referring to so i would have to check my records and get back to
       him.  I then generated a pan determined postulate which i put
       out at his location that my purchase was so small that the tax
       was hardly worth his time and there were other, higher dollar
       amount purchases he could pursue.
       He never called back.
       So did my action cause him to give up? I don't know but i like
       to think it did.
       Have any of you had similar experiences?
       Pete McLaughlin
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       Re: pan determined postulates
   DIR By: TromFan
       Date: June 14, 2019, 2:20 pm
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       You made a self-determined must not be known and a
       pan-determined must not know.  Clever.
       I have sometimes instead of saying "I must find out" said "It
       will make itself known to me."
       It's really in the wording.
       I want to know you and you will make yourself known to me.
       I want to forget you and you will go away.
       I must be known and you will know me.
       I must hide and you will never find me.
       All those sentences have the sd and pd postulates in each of
       them.
       #Post#: 525--------------------------------------------------
       Re: pan determined postulates
   DIR By: Pete
       Date: July 13, 2019, 11:39 pm
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       Yes! The wording is very important.
       I read "The Resolution of Mine" 17 times trying to figure out
       what Dennis was talking about.
       The self determined postulates:
       Must be known
       Must not be known
       Must know
       Must not know
       just did not communicate anything real to me.
       I finally found a wording that communicated when i hit on:
       Forcing something on another they do not want
       Withholding something from another they must have
       Taking from another something they do not want to give you.
       Refusing to accept something another wants to force on you.
       This kind of wording communicates well to me and makes it clear
       what games conditions are going on when players take these
       opposing postulates.
       Once i had this kind of wording on the basic postulates i was
       able to see what the games being played in level 5 were all
       about.
       Pete McLaughlin
       #Post#: 526--------------------------------------------------
       Re: pan determined postulates
   DIR By: TromFan
       Date: July 14, 2019, 12:32 am
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       Do you use the IP data when running level five?  Flipping back
       and forth between your SD postulate and the PD postulate the
       other is trying to enforce on you?  I had to read Insanity Point
       twice and then actually start running level five before that
       became real to me.
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