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#Post#: 292--------------------------------------------------
March 29 '18 Session Win with Level Two
DIR By: Colleen
Date: March 29, 2018, 11:46 am
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Hello Trommers
There has been a nagging childhood incident that was very
occluded and very complicated with all kinds of sticky
postulates; at the same time a later set of scenes/incidents
kept popping up and they were not occluded.
My Trom twin and I decided it easier to work on the later
incident, and that turned out to be a good idea.
In the later scene there was fixation on the tiled floor. and so
Level Two completely took away the fixation on it and revealed
some past incidents that helped to create this fixation, and
amazingly the whole scene started to vanish - to lose its
importance and all that remained to timebreak in that incident
were the prime postulate and its pan-determined postulate.
In past attempts to timebreak this incident it dragged on and on
with lots of stress and emotions - until I decided to timebreak
the tiled floor. Why did it take me so long to do that?
Because I thought all the importance must be on the other person
in the scene and was not following where my mind was really
going.
Repeater Tech (repeating the postulate and its opposer over and
over again until there is no more change) was used, with some
good results. Will go at it again in next session.
The best timebreaking imho is when the postulates finally reveal
themselves to be worked on... the sooner the better :-)
#Post#: 344--------------------------------------------------
Re: March 29 '18 Session Win with Level Two
DIR By: rvh
Date: April 24, 2018, 1:30 am
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Wow nice post :-))
I'm a newbie here, although I have done a lot of level 2 a few
years ago.
I got discouraged with how much time it was taking.
I had thought that everyone had lost interest in TROM at that
time.
Then to my delight I see there are at least a few people running
the tech since Dennis passed away.
That's quite a while so we should have some interesting data
available.
I'm wanting to start back up again.
Would anyone here be so kind as to say roughly how long it took
to run each level?
That might help me a lot in regards to motivation for example.
Also whether you had any previous Scio or Freezone scio
experience, and whether you felt that had an impact on time
spent.
Any advice in this regard would be much appreciated
Thanks,
rvh
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Re: March 29 '18 Session Win with Level Two
DIR By: Colleen
Date: April 24, 2018, 10:09 am
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Hello rvh,
It is great you have done Level Two, and might need merely a
re-tread before starting into Level Three.
Truthfully, I should be on Level 4 by now, if I had not allowed
myself to be distracted with "more important" interests, of
which I have many at any one time... my creative urges are
strong. It's as Dennis said, the desire to play is greater than
the desire to vanish the mind.
The best thing I ever did, besides finding Dennis' data, was to
get into a good working relationship with a long time friend who
also became a Trommer shortly after I introduced it to him.
We work over skype almost every a.m. and he has been a big help
to me. We are on Level Three, running only mostly pleasure
scenes after running RI until no more change - which can
sometimes take up almost the whole session time. Why we did not
do this sooner - we both marvel at that. I think in the
beginning we made the trom practices seem difficult and hard to
duplicate. Do you recall where Dennis said the first time he
tried out Level Two it knocked him for a loop? I think the
exact words he used was that it nearly took his head off, or
something like that. The same with my own case.
I studied most of Ron's materials and have had hundreds of hours
of auditing outside the church - some of it actually useful,
lol!
I am currently dedicated to testing out trom practices and
theory, and am not doing any other practices.
Last year I did have an auditor run the "To Handle" process on
me re my caretakers as a youth, with fantastic results re
learned covert game strategies. I've also had some of John
Galusha's tech run on me with fantastic results re stuck
identity-forming postulates. That did calm my mind and helped
stop me from crying about my case.
Currently we timebreak mostly pleasure scenes or scenes that are
not heavy with trauma, and we feel this is a good gradient for
us. We kept asking ourselves how Dennis could have thought
timebreaking was fun, and now we have an answer. He also said
not to be a martyr, and he was obviously a big believer in
correct gradients. One has to find their own "sweet spot" or
comfortable gradient from Level Three into Level Four.
Take as long as you need to take and make it fun, as you keep
pushing the envelope on a good gradient for yourself. Just the
fact that you put attention on your case and onto the inner
workings of your mind and the minds of others, and learning
about complementary postulates as opposed to contentiousness -
you may get distracted but you will keep coming back until the
job is done.
My twin and I are loving doing our practices more than ever
before. We look forward to our timebreaking sessions.
Currently we are timebreaking rather innocuous scenes from our
childhood homes - taking a tour - and change is occurring, and
we are having fun developing our timebreaking abilities. This
is real beginner level of Level Three.
My latest major case change is letting go of a need to know it
all intellectually, and life became simpler, more humble, and I
left the remaining Facebook groups where I was sharing my
extensive knowledgebase and experience with others, answering
questions. I did a hat write-up and de-activated Facebook, and I
unsubscribed from a dozen Youtube channels. I am no longer that
person/postulate set :)
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Re: March 29 '18 Session Win with Level Two
DIR By: Pete
Date: April 24, 2018, 11:23 am
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Nice win Karalee.
Keep on TROMMING
Pete
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Re: March 29 '18 Session Win with Level Two
DIR By: Colleen
Date: April 24, 2018, 4:25 pm
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Many thanks to you and much gratitude for you going the extra
mile (literally) to make Dennis' work accessible, thank you,
sir.
#Post#: 353--------------------------------------------------
Re: March 29 '18 Session Win with Level Two
DIR By: Pete
Date: June 24, 2018, 2:51 pm
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This idea of getting “done” with TROM is odd to me. I view TROM
is First Aid skills which i use as life throws emotionally
charged stuff at me. I use timebreaking or RI as needed to let
go of the charged games that regularly come up in life while
trying to get along with others at work, or with the wife or
children or with authority figures etc.
I do not see any need to get done with TROM on a need to get
skillful at applying the techniques to myself and to others.
Sincerely
Pete McLaughlin
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Re: March 29 '18 Session Win with Level Two
DIR By: Colleen
Date: July 15, 2018, 12:41 pm
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--- Quote from: Peter McLaughlin link ---
>
> This idea of getting “done” with TROM is odd to me. I view
TROM is First Aid skills which i use as life throws emotionally
charged stuff at me. I use timebreaking or RI as needed to let
go of the charged games that regularly come up in life while
trying to get along with others at work, or with the wife or
children or with authority figures etc.
> I do not see any need to get done with TROM on a need to get
skillful at applying the techniques to myself and to others.
>
> Sincerely
> Pete McLaughlin
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, Pete, fantastic first aid tools for our little toolboxes.
I'd certainly would throw in the Six-Directions and the Repeater
Tech when they indicate.
What do you think about Dennis saying Level Five will vanish our
minds - or more correctly, our fixation for or against minds?
Dennis' promise was that we would be able to be eternally a
Voluntary Games Player, knowing all there is to know about
games, with the option of going into a No Games Condition until
we decide otherwise.
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Re: March 29 '18 Session Win with Level Two
DIR By: guest54
Date: April 1, 2019, 1:15 am
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When you say you have a "TROM twin" does that mean you did this
in a group with a supervisor?
The repeater technique, did you learn that from Dennis Stephens'
books or is it just borrowed from Dianetics?
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Re: March 29 '18 Session Win with Level Two
DIR By: Colleen
Date: June 19, 2021, 1:18 pm
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--- Quote from: guest54 link ---
>
> When you say you have a "TROM twin" does that mean you did
this in a group with a supervisor?
>
> The repeater technique, did you learn that from Dennis
Stephens' books or is it just borrowed from Dianetics?
>
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Did I ever answer you? So sorry. My Trom twin and I only .... we
each ran our own session at the same time. The benefit was
having someone to be accountable to - to show up and do the do.
It was fun.
Repeater tech is a Scio practice Ron mentioned. For example I
saw I always got triggered by husband's make wrong that always
started with "You used to ...". I proposed we sit across from
each other - eyes open - and let me keep repeating "You used to
...". Lots got viewed and timebroken as it flashed by, and
finally got equivalent of the ole "floating needle". :-)
Having a person across from me kept me enough present while at
the same time running not-so-nice scenes.
Also repeater tech is good for some persistent running non-life
statement or postulate. For example I knew a lady who was going
batty and she kept saying, "I'm going crazy!!!" whenever she was
upset. She could have broken the circuitry or fixedness of that
postulate running Repeater Tech.
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