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       #Post#: 3946--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Vote to ban Caos 
   DIR By: West Phoenicia
       Date: September 30, 2015, 4:19 pm
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       The issue is he wont own up or be accountable and he is still
       lying.
       He swears and cusses, bullies people, belittles his friends and
       still says he is not showing unseemly behavior.
       The rest of us take ownership.  A warning or two and we listen.
       In this case its drawing a line in the sand that keeps getting
       rubbed out and a new line placed to accomodate him. And often
       the mod/admin teams have accomodated him more than anyone else.
       We have a term at work called perfomance management.  If is not
       banned,  mods/admin  need to performance manage him.
       #Post#: 3947--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Vote to ban Caos 
   DIR By: Coggernaut
       Date: September 30, 2015, 4:22 pm
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       What would you suggest? We want to do what the people think. We
       want the people's voice to decide what happens. Thats why we
       left this for discussion.
       We will do what the people say. You decide what happens. The
       length of ban, the type of punishment, or no punishment at all.
       The warning "was" the day before this all happened. But you
       basically denied the accusations, when the evidence shows. The
       people agree you start some of these fights.
       The issue is, If you think there is no problem, how will you
       make an effort to change? If you do make an effort to not bait
       people, then I will accept you've changed.
       You told me you wouldn't do any more ad hominids... you did them
       again, I'm losing hope if you -can- change. If you do change, I
       stand corrected.
       #Post#: 3948--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Vote to ban Caos 
   DIR By: Anthony Kaiser
       Date: September 30, 2015, 4:30 pm
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       Several warnings. You got several of them.
       #Post#: 3949--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Vote to ban Caos 
   DIR By: West Phoenicia
       Date: September 30, 2015, 4:31 pm
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       If people dont want to ban him as they see the possibility of
       change in him. Month of his posts needing to be pre approved
       before posting. That way you have mods stopping any insults,
       libel, unseemly behavior or baiting hitting the forum. Than
       review in a months time.
       I believe you will find a more positive atmosphere in the
       region.
       #Post#: 3952--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Vote to ban Caos 
   DIR By: The Carolina Alliance
       Date: September 30, 2015, 4:47 pm
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       --- Quote from: User Protection Act ---
       > ----------Article II: Punishments shall be taken by the acting
       M/A team on a case by case basis, but shall contain the
       following escalation: Warning, Warning, Post Ban, Forum Ban,
       Restriction, Delete and Restriction, Post Moderation, and Delete
       on Sight. Bans and Restrictions shall never be permanent, and
       shall be considered temporary actions against a person, which
       times shall be made to coincide with the Judiciary and M/A team.
       Post Moderation shall be put in effect upon a person so that
       they may not post offensive things until the Judiciary Team has
       convened, and conducted a ruling upon the person, as well as his
       actions.
       >
       > --------------------Note I: Such punishments are considered
       immediate punishments, given out at the immediate sight of the
       actions. Forum Bans and above must be decided and ruled upon by
       the Judiciary team, which will take consideration and advice
       from the Administrative team.
       >
       > --------------------Note II: The escalation of punishment is
       considered a guideline, and depending on the case in hand, may
       be completely ignored. Users, however, are guaranteed chances to
       correct themselves, though if such apologies and actions are
       frivolous and without meaning, shall not be continued.
       >
       > --------------------Note III: The Escalation of punishment
       guidelines are only applicable upon a set offense, such as
       Flaming. A person may receive multiple warnings (up to and
       including five) on other offenses before his case is brought to
       the Court and further actions decided upon by the M/A and
       Judiciary team. Furthermore, his history is to be taken into
       complete consideration, and his illegal actions recorded and/or
       deleted from the forums.
       >
       > --------------------Note IV: All punishments and actions taken
       by the M/A team must be recorded for all members, as well as
       future members, of the M/A team. Furthermore, a clear list of
       people considered DOS must be recorded. All items must be
       recorded manually in this matter:
       --- End Quote ---
       What does all of this mean, you may ask? It means that you can
       not just ban him. If you do I will immediately take you to
       court.
       #Post#: 3953--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Vote to ban Caos 
   DIR By: West Phoenicia
       Date: September 30, 2015, 4:52 pm
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       Pay attention to Note II.
       The forumula is a guideline only as does not need to be followed
       in that order.
       #Post#: 3954--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Vote to ban Caos 
   DIR By: The Carolina Alliance
       Date: September 30, 2015, 4:55 pm
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       But note I states that forum bans must be ruled on by the
       judiciary team.
       #Post#: 3955--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Vote to ban Caos 
   DIR By: West Phoenicia
       Date: September 30, 2015, 4:58 pm
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       That may have been the intention of this thread. Get a general
       consensus than take it to the court. The bill doesnt state which
       order this has to be done in.
       #Post#: 3956--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Vote to ban Caos 
   DIR By: Dreobaca
       Date: September 30, 2015, 4:58 pm
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       It still states guidelines so I would be wary of the actual
       implications of that.
       #Post#: 3957--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Vote to ban Caos 
   DIR By: The Carolina Alliance
       Date: September 30, 2015, 5:01 pm
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       If that was the purpose it would have been stated, wouldn't it?
       From what AK has stated he wants to ignore the entire legal
       system, and I won't stand for that. Caos deserves to say, as we
       have all done things like he has.
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