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       #Post#: 5881--------------------------------------------------
       Important announcement about the site.
       By: Elisabeth Hollow Date: November 9, 2014, 9:03 pm
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       I have a few things I have to say about this website.
       One- I love y'all very much. Y'all are like family, and it's
       because of that I feel comfortable enough to say this.
       This site will never work out unless we get more member. It's
       literally Chorrol minus Liz, and I don't like that. I've been
       working very hard to get this site to work better, and have met
       with a website designer to get it to look exactly how I want,
       and for that to work, I will have to dish out $300 (277.44
       euros, I think) out of my own pocket.
       But from what I'm seeing, it won't be worth it. No one is even
       trying to bring traffic to the site besides me. Y'all have even
       admitted to not really wanting to help in that area if you have
       to go out of your way to do that. And honestly, that hurts my
       feelings quite a bit. What's the point of having the site if
       y'all just come here because Chorrol isn't busy?
       In case it isn't too clear on what I'm saying, I want y'all to
       try harder to recruit. If you're on Bethesoft, message your buds
       to join. If you know people on other forums who like ES, invite
       them. Real life, same thing. Facebook, same thing. Because I
       don't think it's fair that everyone complains that there's no
       one here, but nobody but myself is trying to get new people in
       here. And I'm starting to not even see the point of having this
       website and making sure everything runs okay and getting on if
       nothing happens, if no one new joins.
       So, there's my two cents. I really just want help with this.
       #Post#: 5882--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Important announcement about the site.
       By: Black Hand Date: November 9, 2014, 10:12 pm
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       I don't have very many friends in real life, even fewer who
       share my interests. As many do, I seek out like-minded
       individuals on the internet and socialize with them about them
       there.
       I remember when Chorrol was called waiting4oblivion, and was a
       member of the site then, nearly ten years ago now. Now, I only
       stop by once in a great while; for many reasons, most of them
       painful.
       As is, I haven't played Skyrim since....I can't remember when it
       has been so long. Maybe earlier this year. But, the Elder
       Scrolls aren't really an interest for me anymore. If it's
       getting and recruiting people you want, I'm not your man.
       If it's help you need financially, I'll certainly see what I can
       do, which is: again, a matter of many factors.
       People stop by here when many are posting, yet when the same
       people expect some back and forth....well. You get what you
       give.
       #Post#: 5884--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Important announcement about the site.
       By: Callidus Thorn Date: November 10, 2014, 3:11 am
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       I'd love to help out Liz, but I really can't help recruit for
       the site. I just don't have the options.
       I don't do social networking, so I'm not on Facebook or
       anything. I can't try recruiting over at Bethsoft, in case it
       ends up with one of those from Over There finding their way
       here. And here, Bethsoft, and Chorrol are pretty much my online
       hangouts.
       *Shrugs*
       #Post#: 5885--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Important announcement about the site.
       By: King Of Beasts Date: November 10, 2014, 5:47 am
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       You don't even have to maintain the site you use to advertise.
       Just stick the link to this site somewhere where to think it'd
       be noticeable (hell, I know it's tacky, but make sole flyers for
       the site with the link if you can and stick them in public
       places, if we're lucky someone will take it seriously lol)
       #Post#: 5886--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Important announcement about the site.
       By: Elisabeth Hollow Date: November 10, 2014, 9:38 am
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       So basically I'm stuck doing the work myself?
       -nods- gotcha. That's great to know. Okay.
       #Post#: 5887--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Important announcement about the site.
       By: mirocu Date: November 10, 2014, 11:18 am
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       Sorry to hear that your site isnīt what you wanted, Liz. I hope
       you understand that some of us simply donīt have other places to
       go to and others to talk to. Weīre not helping you because we
       donīt want to, itīs basically because we canīt.
       The only places I go to are Bethsoft, chorrol and here, and the
       same people are on all those sites. Plus a few more people, yes,
       but I think that for a recruit to be successful we have to reach
       other places that arenīt connected to those other two. Facebook
       is a great place maybe, but like Th0rnyboy I donīt touch that
       place with a ten-foot pole.
       I hope youīre not too bummed, Liz. We all love you too and I for
       one am still glad you invited me :)
       #Post#: 5889--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Important announcement about the site.
       By: Kiln Date: November 10, 2014, 2:40 pm
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       The only sites I frequent are here, Chorrol, and a plethora of
       gun related websites that I barely post on..  I even cut ties
       with Bethsoft forums years ago.  It is hard to be selective
       about recruitment (maintain a good atmosphere) and still build a
       large userbase.
       #Post#: 5890--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Important announcement about the site.
       By: Elisabeth Hollow Date: November 10, 2014, 3:42 pm
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       No one has to explain themselves. Message received loud and
       clear.
       #Post#: 5891--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Important announcement about the site.
       By: Black Hand Date: November 10, 2014, 8:40 pm
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       >.<
       I'll quote Yelawolf here:
       "Ain't much I can do, but I'll do what I can
       But I'm not a fool there's no need to pretend
       Just because you got yourself in some sh!t
       Don't mean I have to come deal with it
       You handle your own when you become a man
       and become a man when you handle your own
       Ain't much I can do, but I do what I can
       But what can I do, if I do Till It's Gone? "
       We're no better equipped to recruit than you are: We have the
       same, if not less skills in these areas. This 'negative'
       reaction on our part that seems to be perceived from your end is
       nonexistent. We're speechless because we *WOULD* like to help:
       if we're able.
       The car just broke down? I'm not a mechanic, I can call one.
       The Red-Shirt on our Away Team just died? Dammit, Jim! I'm a
       Doctor, not a-- oh, right!
       Do you see where I'm coming from? I'm not saying that you *Have*
       to do everything by yourself, and it's certainly a better state
       of mind when a person can admit that something is beyond their
       capabilities and is willing to ask for help. However, there was
       never an intention to hurt you on *anyone's* part that is part
       of our current roster.
       Indeed, at least on my part I was; and still am, willing to come
       here and help out in the ways that I *can*. I told you in my
       previous reply why I'm not the man for the job: I don't know
       anyone...I don't frequent other sites, and I don't know how
       recruiting is done in general.
       If you'd like the bigger, snazzier site, I support you in that
       as well. However, you can't delegate the responsibility of that
       to others and than feel hurt when someone let you down with it.
       I've made this point many times here and other sites: Taking
       responsibility for what you think, say, and do,....and in this
       case, want, is what gives you your power to make it happen and
       to change it.
       Blaming (harsh word, I know but you also know where I am coming
       from) is giving that power to others, making them responsible
       for the ills and shortcomings in your life. Only one thing is
       under our control in life: ourselves.
       I'm sorry if you feel hurt....but I can't change that. It's not
       within my sphere of control. I can speak my mind, offer you the
       words on my mind and heart, and try to give you a big
       metaphorical hug so I can try and squeeze all those negative
       feelings and tears right out 'a ya....but that's all I really
       can do...
       Ain't much I can do: But I'll do what I can.
       #Post#: 5892--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Important announcement about the site.
       By: King Of Beasts Date: November 10, 2014, 10:19 pm
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       Guys how is sharing a web link hard I don't understand all you
       have to do is post it somewhere where people will see it lol.
       Almost any place will do.
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