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microphone evaluation
By: The Dudely Lama Date: February 6, 2021, 9:14 am
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having lost substantial high frequency hearing ability, and
entertaining constant tinnitus, how would one go about
accurately determining self noise, or mic hiss, in the signal?
i know... numbers in the specs... but i also know thats not
often accurate, real world application. in the past couple days
ive run through multiple combinations of mics, pre’s and
recording devices and ive put all my mics back in the locker
except for the SP in-ear mics... and they just introduced an
improved version with notably improved specs in both signal to
noise and self noise, but with a slightly different earpiece..
as im awaiting delivery, the question begs, how to compare the
two without be able to personally discern the difference in self
noise?
#Post#: 6501--------------------------------------------------
Re: microphone evaluation
By: AJ Date: February 6, 2021, 10:36 pm
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[quote author=The Dudely Lama link=topic=736.msg6500#msg6500
date=1612624458]
having lost substantial high frequency hearing ability, and
entertaining constant tinnitus, how would one go about
accurately determining self noise, or mic hiss, in the signal?
i know... numbers in the specs... but i also know thats not
often accurate, real world application. in the past couple days
ive run through multiple combinations of mics, pre’s and
recording devices and ive put all my mics back in the locker
except for the SP in-ear mics... and they just introduced an
improved version with notably improved specs in both signal to
noise and self noise, but with a slightly different earpiece..
as im awaiting delivery, the question begs, how to compare the
two without be able to personally discern the difference in self
noise?
[/quote]
Found this app...Assume you have an smart phone.
HTML https://onyx3.com/SpectrumAnalyzer/#:~:text=Spectrum%20Analyzer%20for%20iOS%20is,precision%20audio%20measurement%20and%20visualization.
Or this one for your
PC.......
HTML https://www.mymusictools.com/test_tools_27/spectrum_analyzer_pro_live_13243.htm
But these tools might prove a bit tedious, given what I perceive
is your methodology towards making music. It would be a bit
mechanical approach to tweaking the parameters I think you are
addressing. How do your recordings measure up to what you hear
when you are in the creative process?
The music you are making now is stream of creativity product,
or that is what I hear when I listen to your pieces on Facebook.
Sometimes I listen to yourstuff on my phone, through my work
trucks stereo, in between service calls. Sometimes through my
computer speakers, sometimes through the interface, into my
board, and into self powered 8" JBL's( which are crackin' fresh
baby). I also use headphones on occasion, here at the house,
through the interface. It sounds different in each of these
delivery systems. In the truck of course, it's competing with
road noise, vehicle noise, etc. Here at the house, through the
different speakers, much different. Through the computer
speakers, markedly different than through the JBL monitors.
Through the JBL's, the low frequencies magically appear, where
as through the other platforms they aren't even present. And
that's at unity gain, eq bypassed, pure signal. It's a different
experience. Headies are a different thing altogether. With
everything else blocked out it's more immersive.
Indigo Dave sends me pieces of songs he's working on from time
to time, and he comes as close as anyone to recording the way
you do. Organically. He sings and plays piano, all in real time,
no effects, just pure Dave like what you do, is pure Jamie. You
both approach music honestly, and honesty comes with certain
tolls involved.
"Self Noise"? perhaps you're thinking a bit too hard about it
these things. Perhaps listening a bit too critically to your own
art. Granted, your stuff exists on a different plane to an great
extent, and probably defies conventional approaches to
criticisms audibly, and artistically.
I originally put this reply in early this morning, but forgot to
hit send....
#Post#: 6504--------------------------------------------------
Re: microphone evaluation
By: The Dudely Lama Date: February 7, 2021, 5:48 am
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im concerned that in my attempts to capture the subtle, silent
magic that is only heard from being in the center area of the
collision of the near field vibrational energy of these
instruments, that i introduce interference from frequencies i
cant hear anymore... i cant hear mic hiss unless its
horrible... there are physical sensations that accompany
certain frequencies... sub lows bring a sort of heavy,
compressing vibration where ultra high frequencies bring
weightlessness and feelings of flight and air... but in the
collisions, there is silence that is so stark and pure in
comparison... it brings the air around us and the water within
us to vibrate and shake... headphones and good monitors turned
up properly will closely replicate the sensations produced live,
but live? it shakes your bones! different frequencies move
through and literally massage every cell in your body, exciting
tissue according to density and natural harmonic resonance...
asmr recording is a brain hack that tricks your body into
“feeling” the vibrations youre hearing. i am uncertain that what
i experience might possibly be in part due to physical memory...
my toes vibrate at certain sub freqs as i feel the “sound”
pushing me, compacting my cells... compared to the effervescent
explosion of freedom... opening, expansive outward flight of
ultra highs... physical sensations and actual physical response
produced by aural(sonic) stimuli. i see from first hand and
others that there are definite, measurable physical and mental
responses to this phenomenon. mentally and physically, the
relaxation response alone is of major therapeutic value in all
walks of life and development. im not talking new age, woo woo
pseudoscience... just plain old everyday physics applied to
human physiology and psychology. mental and physical responses
to vibrational stimuli... all of this, rather... most of this
takes place in the propagative medium of air... which is much
less efficient at transmission than is WATER... large singing
bowls in bodies of water, with human bodies (of water) in the
water... one can literally pinpoint the areas of collision of
vibration... sound... inside ones physical body... motion and
physical touch generated by “sonic energy and the bouncing and
colliding thereof in the medium through which it travels...
pre-covid, at any festival where a suitable body of water was
available i would carry in several large bowls and float them
around me... and the crowds would gather... ecstatic bathers,
finding their experience beyond anything theyd ever imagined
being possible... pure magic... pure science... and lakes and
rivers filled with trippin hippies not needing anything more
than music to trigger the trip... im doing this because once i
experienced this incredible magic, i wanted everyone to know the
possibilities... experience the joy of just being... the
connection, all of this you see... we are nothing less...
notes in a song, resounding through a propagating medium and
colliding with other “bubbles” of sound and bubbles of
silence... finding our full resonance and yielding to the
harmonic beauty that is only found in returning again to source.
well, i was going to go back to sleep, it was around 4 am when i
read your response... looking at the amount of light outside,
ive got enough time to shower, get dressed and light some
incense before welcoming the sunrise at the gongs...
be the peace in your journey today...
#Post#: 6527--------------------------------------------------
Re: microphone evaluation
By: The Dudely Lama Date: February 13, 2021, 6:38 am
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i received the new mics thursday evening and ive got a little
over 20 some hours use so far. ive been very busy making
tracks. most busy trying to learn the limits of this mic system
and how i can best achieve the results im trying to reach... i
need to find some young ears that can assure me that the
silence, the noise floor, is acceptable for my purposes and
desires. got the zoom q8 dialed in for 96k 48 bit audio only,
and started trying the panasonic x2000 last night. the volume
controls on the panasonic are like marshall plexi controls...
anything below 1.5 is off and everything past is wide open! so
i had to do it correctly... yamaha 12 channel board between the
mics and cam... now im thinking if i set up my sub and a couple
speakers... not really much more involved... i can start
playing with stereo signals to see if i can produce a reasonable
facsimile of the physiological response that happens in the
close proximity of the real deal... i think asmr has the
hallmarks of becoming an important, highly effective tool in
mental and physical wellness... its a glimpse into perception
at a level previously unimagined. at the very least, i can
further annoy my new neighbors...
if youre interested in lending an ear and offering comments,
please give this a listen...
HTML https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/7EFpNmE4iw37FDjSA
#Post#: 6528--------------------------------------------------
Re: microphone evaluation
By: AJ Date: February 13, 2021, 10:58 pm
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[quote author=The Dudely Lama link=topic=736.msg6527#msg6527
date=1613219928]
i received the new mics thursday evening and ive got a little
over 20 some hours use so far. ive been very busy making
tracks. most busy trying to learn the limits of this mic system
and how i can best achieve the results im trying to reach... i
need to find some young ears that can assure me that the
silence, the noise floor, is acceptable for my purposes and
desires. got the zoom q8 dialed in for 96k 48 bit audio only,
and started trying the panasonic x2000 last night. the volume
controls on the panasonic are like marshall plexi controls...
anything below 1.5 is off and everything past is wide open! so
i had to do it correctly... yamaha 12 channel board between the
mics and cam... now im thinking if i set up my sub and a couple
speakers... not really much more involved... i can start
playing with stereo signals to see if i can produce a reasonable
facsimile of the physiological response that happens in the
close proximity of the real deal... i think asmr has the
hallmarks of becoming an important, highly effective tool in
mental and physical wellness... its a glimpse into perception
at a level previously unimagined. at the very least, i can
further annoy my new neighbors...
if youre interested in lending an ear and offering comments,
please give this a listen...
HTML https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/7EFpNmE4iw37FDjSA
[/quote]
It's a first rate recording Jamie. I listened through
headphones. Pretty immersive, and a lot of the swells had a
almost feedback like quality to them. Dug that a lot. I was
trying to listen subjectively to it, as that was what I
perceived you wanted from a listen. First rate recording, and I
think a definite improvement over previous offerings from you,
on a sonic level.
#Post#: 6530--------------------------------------------------
Re: microphone evaluation
By: The Dudely Lama Date: February 14, 2021, 6:37 am
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thank you for the ears! yes, my high frequency hearing is pretty
damaged, especially my right ear... with gongs, i can
physically identify pitch by vibration of the tool in my hand
long before i can hear it... its how i choose the sounds or
vibrations im layering... ive found i can do “key” changes on
the same gong and most interestingly to me, it can be played
melodically... yeah... think on that a second... a bridle on
an “uncontrollable” wild horse... you have control but it
still has a mind of its own... ive been told none of what im
doing is possible... i set up a yamaha 12 ch mixer yesterday
and dialing in the mics with the panasonic hc-x2000 video
recorder, im wondering if i can get enough separation for stereo
imaging “live” with my pa... i know its not something that’s
done for several reasons... but this is a diff game than voice
and guitar reproduction... ive got to try...
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