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Re: AJ and Micheal Stipe
By: AJ Date: August 5, 2017, 2:22 pm
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[quote author=Bucky link=topic=53.msg509#msg509 date=1501943789]
Brian is a good bassist, but he writes on piano. He wanted his
studio musicians to follow his compositions, and Kaye may claim
she could've improved it (she's notoriously opinionated), Brian
had his vision and it wouldn't be the same album without it.
The Beatles were a completely different band with a unique
dynamic. Did it make them better? Sometimes. I still think Sgt.
Pepper is a good album but overrated. Their Petsounds was Abbey
Road.
[/quote]
There's a lot of people, including those in my generation, that
consider "Abbey Road" superior to "Pepper". They had at least
double the tracking power on AR that they did on Pepper so the
that took a lot of the painstaking planning out of the grief
load. Plus...They all knew it would be their last album, and
wanted to finish off the catalog with a solid and cohesive album
that spoke to the Beatles, as a band...Not the Musical icons
they had become. Abbey Road finds Harrison in full flower as a
songwriter, standing as tall as John and Paul. Plus George
Martin was in the producers chair again.
For guys like me, Dave and Luke..who were immersed in the
Beatles from the beginning, and of their time, making
comparisons between the two albums is hard. "Sgt. Pepper's"
broke ground that had not previously been trod. I definitely
disagree it's overrated. "Abbey Road" is a great album, but
well traveled ground artistically. IMHO. Hence, not a
groundbreaker like "Pet Sounds" or "Sgt. Pepper's".
#Post#: 513--------------------------------------------------
Re: AJ and Micheal Stipe
By: Bucky Date: August 5, 2017, 4:19 pm
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I went into Sgt Pepper expecting the best album ever, and
critics and fans hyped it as such for decades. I wasn't let
down, but I knew it wasn't better than Petsounds. At least, I
didn't relate to it as much.
Almost ten years later, I like it but feel there's some definite
filler.
#Post#: 516--------------------------------------------------
Re: AJ and Micheal Stipe
By: AJ Date: August 5, 2017, 5:33 pm
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[quote author=Bucky link=topic=53.msg513#msg513 date=1501967959]
I went into Sgt Pepper expecting the best album ever, and
critics and fans hyped it as such for decades. I wasn't let
down, but I knew it wasn't better than Petsounds. At least, I
didn't relate to it as much.
Almost ten years later, I like it but feel there's some definite
filler.
[/quote]
HERETIC!!! Lash the boy to the pole and pile up the firewood!
#Post#: 520--------------------------------------------------
Re: AJ and Micheal Stipe
By: Bucky Date: August 5, 2017, 7:43 pm
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"Fixing a Hole," "She's Leaving Home," and "Mr. Kite" are filler
to my ears. "When I'm Sixty Four," is a novelty number. The Sgt
Pepper Reprise is unnecessary.
See, I think a lot of concept albums suffer from songs that
don't sound good out of context, and I know that all too well
when I try to recommend my own music to people. Tony Banks
despises The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway for this very reason.
But the difference between Sgt Pepper and Petsounds is that
Wilson wasn't making a concept album. His collaboration with
Tony Asher is what makes the album flow well, IMO. Mike Love was
more about making hits, and Asher was an outsider looking in
like Van Dyke Parks.
Smile is a great album, but even it doesn't match Petsounds.
I think Abbey Road is superior to Sgt. Pepper because it felt
like the first half had the eclectic Revolver vibe, and the
medley was all of McCartney's playful madness with Harrison and
Lennon contributing what they could. Harrison's rotary speaker
was heavenly. When I first heard "You Never Give Me Your Money,"
I was obsessed.
Keep in mind, I'm an odd person. Harrison is my favorite, I
don't drool over Lennon, and I like "Octopus's Garden."
#Post#: 523--------------------------------------------------
Re: AJ and Micheal Stipe
By: AJ Date: August 5, 2017, 9:50 pm
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...That doesn't make you odd....It just makes you you.
I like every song on both of those albums. no...Hell I love
them.
The first solo albums the three released after leaving the
Fabs...John's was a lean, naked affair..I thought beautiful in
it's stark and spare instrumentation.
McCartney's was a kind of a mixed blessing..The whole "Sod off
Wankers, I'll do it all meself" message was evident, some gems
in there though.
Harrison's "All Things Must Pass" was amazing in it's scope and
ambition...There's weak spots..The "Apple Jam" thing is kind of
a cast off, filler type thing...But the songs were just amazing,
coupled with his finest guitar work to that date. I remember
thinking, "Wow...this guy has had this stuff bottled up in him
for a long time and just could not get these songs past the
McCartney-Lennon junta" I mean George was really leaving it all
out there...Lyrically. He laid himself bare personally,
philosophically, politically.
John's album laid his soul bare, but he didn't really address
any issues other than his personal ones.
I personally don't think Paul McCartney has a soul. No one can
deny the man's talent though.
#Post#: 527--------------------------------------------------
Re: AJ and Micheal Stipe
By: Bucky Date: August 6, 2017, 7:36 am
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I think Paul is a genius, but he's never gonna let us in.
Unless we ring his doorbell. In that case, he'll write a song
about it.
#Post#: 529--------------------------------------------------
Re: AJ and Micheal Stipe
By: indigo_dave Date: August 6, 2017, 7:48 am
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I tend to think of songs I like rather than albums. When
listening to the Beatles (most often on my phone while walking),
I'll often skip ahead to a song I like better. I recently
listened to "When I"m 64" for the first time in a long time. I
even like that song - the invention in the vocal harmonies and
the arrangement of the wind instruments. I was listening to
"Sexy Sadie" yesterday and noticing the line complimentary
guitar line played by George (I figure).
By the way, have you guys heard the Four Freshmen ? I'd
venture to say that with out the Four Freshmen, there'd never
been the Beach Boys.
#Post#: 532--------------------------------------------------
Re: AJ and Micheal Stipe
By: AJ Date: August 6, 2017, 4:31 pm
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[quote author=indigo_dave link=topic=53.msg529#msg529
date=1502023708]
I tend to think of songs I like rather than albums. When
listening to the Beatles (most often on my phone while walking),
I'll often skip ahead to a song I like better. I recently
listened to "When I"m 64" for the first time in a long time. I
even like that song - the invention in the vocal harmonies and
the arrangement of the wind instruments. I was listening to
"Sexy Sadie" yesterday and noticing the line complimentary
guitar line played by George (I figure).
By the way, have you guys heard the Four Freshmen ? I'd
venture to say that with out the Four Freshmen, there'd never
been the Beach Boys.
[/quote]
I've heard of the Four Freshman, but cannot immediately think of
any of their songs. I do remember them being like "Folk Light".
#Post#: 533--------------------------------------------------
Re: AJ and Micheal Stipe
By: Bucky Date: August 6, 2017, 4:38 pm
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[quote author=indigo_dave link=topic=53.msg529#msg529
date=1502023708]
I tend to think of songs I like rather than albums. When
listening to the Beatles (most often on my phone while walking),
I'll often skip ahead to a song I like better. I recently
listened to "When I"m 64" for the first time in a long time. I
even like that song - the invention in the vocal harmonies and
the arrangement of the wind instruments. I was listening to
"Sexy Sadie" yesterday and noticing the line complimentary
guitar line played by George (I figure).
By the way, have you guys heard the Four Freshmen ? I'd
venture to say that with out the Four Freshmen, there'd never
been the Beach Boys.
[/quote]
Yeah, and I've also heard of Jan and Dean.
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Re: AJ and Micheal Stipe
By: Luke17 Date: August 6, 2017, 5:34 pm
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[quote author=AJ link=topic=53.msg532#msg532 date=1502055092]
[quote author=indigo_dave link=topic=53.msg529#msg529
date=1502023708]
I tend to think of songs I like rather than albums. When
listening to the Beatles (most often on my phone while walking),
I'll often skip ahead to a song I like better. I recently
listened to "When I"m 64" for the first time in a long time. I
even like that song - the invention in the vocal harmonies and
the arrangement of the wind instruments. I was listening to
"Sexy Sadie" yesterday and noticing the line complimentary
guitar line played by George (I figure).
By the way, have you guys heard the Four Freshmen ? I'd
venture to say that with out the Four Freshmen, there'd never
been the Beach Boys.
[/quote]
It's a stretch to say there would have been no Beach Boys..but
man, if you listen to them sing 'Shangri-La..back in the early
sixties..their original stamp on their gorgeous harmonies ( I
have my older brothers original 45) .
No 'bout adoubt it..Brian nicked their harmonies for quite a bit
of his vocal arrangements..
Good call Dave.
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