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Re: Dumb Donald is coming to Orlando today.
By: indigo_dave Date: June 19, 2019, 10:43 am
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I could google and easily find a dozen major lies Trump has
stated and restated and restated etc. Can you do that with
someone else ? Sanders ? Biden ? Mayor Pete ? Which ones ?
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Re: Dumb Donald is coming to Orlando today.
By: indigo_dave Date: June 19, 2019, 11:14 am
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se5SYcopv6I
The PBS summary (in about 3 or 4 parts) of the Mueller report.
I believe the Trump campaign had about 140 contacts with
Russians. Of course it can't be proved they actually knew they
were colluding with Russians. Ignorance is the excuse. And
then there was the softening of the Republican campaign platform
- removing criticism of Russia for meddling in the affairs of
Ukraine. The platform change was probably payback for "favors".
And the Foxers just repeat the claim that Trump was persecuted
by the FBI for investigating his collusion. Horseshit rules in
Foxworld.
And what's with his accusing the 5 black youths who were
arrested for the Central Park rape. Later exonerated by DNA
evidence. The Colluder in Chief won't back down from his
accusations. When recently asked about that, he said "You have
people on both sides of that. They admitted their guilt". Their
confessions were coerced by the cops. His stupidity and
dishonesty just goes on and on.
So what on the "other side" equates with his bullshit and
crimes ? The things I've listed are only drops in a bucket.
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Re: Dumb Donald is coming to Orlando today.
By: guest11 Date: June 19, 2019, 2:14 pm
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fuck this, I'm not getting drawn into yet another stupid
political argument
don't give a shit anyway
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Re: Dumb Donald is coming to Orlando today.
By: indigo_dave Date: June 20, 2019, 6:40 am
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Fair enough if you don't want to discuss. I will disagree about
whether it's bullshit. This is our country and our democracy.
Right now it's being run by a crook. Issues have been clouded
in an attempt to confuse people. The PBS 28 minute clip I
posted lays out specifics from the Mueller report.
Right now Trump is thriving on ignorance in the population.
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Re: Dumb Donald is coming to Orlando today.
By: guest11 Date: June 20, 2019, 9:23 am
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...and you seem to think the mirror image of the current
paradigm is going to be any different.
Which party respects the power of WE THE PEOPLE, dave? Who
respects INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY?
Let me give you the quick and easy answer---NEITHER.
I am an American. Not a socialist, not a nazi. The far extremes
of both parties have taken over our political system. The whole
fucking thing is broken. This is NOT the country I fought for. I
am totally disgustivated by the whole fucking rotten thing.
YMMV.
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Re: Dumb Donald is coming to Orlando today.
By: AJ Date: June 20, 2019, 10:07 am
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I think Dano has hit the nail on the head. The system that the
Founders gave us, a Democratic Republic, has been struggling
since it’s founding to achieve equilibrium. We kicked the Brits
out, because we were sick of being ruled by a landed gentry
thousands of miles away, only to be ruled by a different set of
wealthy overlords. Money rules the day here now. There are some
really thick people that are easily swayed by loud politicians
on both sides, claiming to have their hearts and convictions in
tune with different voting blocs, when their “convictions”
change with any wind that blows. To say it’s disheartening is
today the least. For someone like Dan, who suited up and bled
for this country, even the more so.
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Re: Dumb Donald is coming to Orlando today.
By: indigo_dave Date: June 20, 2019, 10:39 am
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I respect democratically elected governments. This government ,
specifically Trump's presidency, was not legitimately elected -
he had Russian help. Russia is not our friend. It is his
friend by virtue of his history assisting oligarchs launder
money.
Extreme gerrymandering and voting suppression are not our friend
either, unless one doesn't truly believe in American democracy.
Saying that both sides are foul doesn't wash, without giving
facts in support of the point.
I heard David Gergen on NPR recently. He speculated that
Trump's corruption and incompetence may be just be a future
footnote if we get climate catastrophes. Of course, under the
leadership of an ignoramus, we will only move backwards
regarding climate.
The idiocy and corruption is very special. I don't believe
there's anything to equate, aside from vague statements that
"all sides are bad".
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Re: Dumb Donald is coming to Orlando today.
By: guest11 Date: June 20, 2019, 1:56 pm
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[quote author=indigo_dave link=topic=403.msg3796#msg3796
date=1561045185]
I respect democratically elected governments. This government ,
specifically Trump's presidency, was not legitimately elected -
he had Russian help. Russia is not our friend. It is his
friend by virtue of his history assisting oligarchs launder
money.
Extreme gerrymandering and voting suppression are not our friend
either, unless one doesn't truly believe in American democracy.
Saying that both sides are foul doesn't wash, without giving
facts in support of the point.
I heard David Gergen on NPR recently. He speculated that
Trump's corruption and incompetence may be just be a future
footnote if we get climate catastrophes. Of course, under the
leadership of an ignoramus, we will only move backwards
regarding climate.
The idiocy and corruption is very special. I don't believe
there's anything to equate, aside from vague statements that
"all sides are bad".
[/quote]okay, you want to keep up the shit-talk?
I'm no fan of DJT, but this current crop of democrat socialists
make me fucking SICK. You think they're telling you the truth?
What kind of fucking simpleton idiot are you? Wanna be a
socialist? Go live in fucking Venezuela, look how well that shit
is working out for them. Or open the borders here, let in every
no-load welfare-sucking parasite, watch what happens to this
country in no fucking time.
I tried to disengage---you kept running your mouth.
YES I'm one of those deplorables who is bitterly clinging to my
Constitution and Bill of Rights. Assholes like you are ruining
the country I fought for. You don't want a discussion, you don't
even want a debate, you want to cast blame and protest your
side's innocence. That shit doesn't wash.
Fuck OFF.
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Re: Dumb Donald is coming to Orlando today.
By: indigo_dave Date: June 21, 2019, 4:59 pm
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You didn't really argue any points. You made broad
generalizations about socialists. I never visited the Open Jam
you guys talked about. I'm wondering if this is the vibe there.
I'd like to hear specifics rather than Foxist sounding
generalizations. I guess that's not possible here. I posted a
28 minute summary video from PBS. I suspect they're dismissed
as Deep State or Fake Media.
I often feel like I've witness an invasion of the body
snatchers. I guess I'll give up this argument. I like to
discuss and debate actual principles and points.
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Re: Dumb Donald is coming to Orlando today.
By: AJ Date: June 21, 2019, 6:34 pm
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You're a loved and trusted friend Dave. I do not want to lose
you as a friend or contributor to this forum.
I'm going to suggest something to you. Go to The Other Open Jam.
Just lurk there. Go to the political experiment and watch the
discourse. Dano is a tried and true veteran of forums like this.
I tried talking politics with those people and I gave up.
Both you and Dano are smart guys. I dig both of you. Want you
both here. I do not wish to be the proprietor of a place like
TOOJ however, Hence my request to keep the politics out of here.
here's a link.
HTML https://www.theotheropenjam.com/forum/main-forum
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