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       #Post#: 3152--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Tis the cold snap from hell
       By: The Dudely Lama Date: March 4, 2019, 12:14 am
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       there was never a  land or ice bridge... nice story but not a
       shred of archaeological evidence to back it up, which relegates
       it to remain a theory, otherwise a story made up by one that
       didnt witness the time period, has no historical ties to the
       people in question and disregards all native history about the
       time in question...
       not one burial, cache of tools,,or even a dropped nothing along
       the way...   my three yr old makes up more believable stories...
       #Post#: 3163--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Tis the cold snap from hell
       By: AJ Date: March 4, 2019, 6:09 pm
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       [quote author=The Dudely Lama link=topic=330.msg3152#msg3152
       date=1551680078]
       there was never a  land or ice bridge... nice story but not a
       shred of archaeological evidence to back it up, which relegates
       it to remain a theory, otherwise a story made up by one that
       didnt witness the time period, has no historical ties to the
       people in question and disregards all native history about the
       time in question...
       not one burial, cache of tools,,or even a dropped nothing along
       the way...   my three yr old makes up more believable stories...
       [/quote]
       Agreed, it is a theory. But given the Ice Age temperatures, when
       they theorize migration occured, there could have been a ice
       bridge.
       Or it could have been navigated.
       or there could have been people, or the apes which, in theory,
       evolved to be people here already.
       I'm unfamiliar with the native explanations or origin legends
       concerning this. I like to hear them if you can find the time
       someday.
       #Post#: 3171--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Tis the cold snap from hell
       By: The Dudely Lama Date: March 4, 2019, 9:44 pm
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       one minor detail no one bothers with is the fact that these
       supposed travelers were plains dwellers, not mountaineers...
       the steppes was their home and mountain life was foreign.
       between where they stood and the promised land lay 5 major
       mountain ranges...  understand these gatherer/hunters stood
       watching all their food sources go south and one says,” hey, i
       know this gonna sound silly, but lets not worry about eating...
       “.    hashing out theories is wonderful fir trying to understand
       the workings of the unknown... but critical thinking with an eye
       towards common sense should be a given...   author and educator
       vine deloria jr. was a native man with the ability to write and
       educate with a sense if humor. his style and wit make for a fast
       read and his indigenous historical references are spot on.
       “custer died for your sins”    “red earth, white lies”.   both
       wonderfully entertaining and enlightening...   the latter of
       these two titles being my favorite...   he covers the faults of
       a land or ice bridge rather thoroughly without a confrontational
       nature...
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       Re: Tis the cold snap from hell
       By: AJ Date: March 5, 2019, 6:38 pm
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       Along the lines of this converse..By chance I watched a Nat Geo
       program last night, titled, "America, before Columbus"...I guess
       it was the last episode...It focused on the damage Europeans did
       on the ecology here. The denuding of the eastern forests, the
       incredible destruction done by bringing pigs to the continent,
       how much damage was done by the weed seeds they brought with
       them in the grains they brought over to farm here. The
       destruction caused by cattle on the grazing plains. Disease of
       course. Disease caused a lot more harm to the native populations
       than the wholesale slaughter of the various conquering
       europeans.
       One thing I had to wryly smile at....The natives gifted the
       Europeans with syphilis. Didn't know that particular malady was
       native to this continent.
       Another interesting thing. The bees that were native to this
       continent were picky pollinators. The european bees would
       pollinate virtually anything.
       If only the Europeans of that day, were as meticulous as the
       archaeologists and paleontologists of today are about studying
       things without destroying them......
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