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Re: Regrets, I've had a few
By: AJ Date: February 13, 2018, 5:52 pm
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[quote author=The Dudley Lama link=topic=203.msg2078#msg2078
date=1518540136]
my grandfather played hawaiian lap steel guitar in a “party
band” during the prohibition in the states... (he was from
quebec and made runs regularly to beavertown ohio for some odd
reason) needless, the first guitar i ever held was an early 50’s
gibson korina “flying V” hawaiian lap steel.... i was on the
road playing drums when my grandfather passed... a cousin, god
bless his little inbred heart, sold my grandfathers guitar for
beer money before the funeral...
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A pox upon your cousin.
Perhaps the Beavers in Ohio were more attractive than the
Beavers in Quebec... ;D
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Re: Regrets, I've had a few
By: The Dudley Lama Date: February 13, 2018, 6:18 pm
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they were! the beavers in ohio were cherokee... my grandmother
was half cherokee and half seneca... and the reason my
grandfathers uppity parents disowned him... he had a taste for
good tequila, dark ales and fine cannabis... he didnt know i
found his turkish hookah hidden in the third floor attic...
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Re: Regrets, I've had a few
By: AJ Date: February 13, 2018, 10:47 pm
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[quote author=The Dudley Lama link=topic=203.msg2080#msg2080
date=1518567512]
they were! the beavers in ohio were cherokee... my grandmother
was half cherokee and half seneca... and the reason my
grandfathers uppity parents disowned him... he had a taste for
good tequila, dark ales and fine cannabis... he didnt know i
found his turkish hookah hidden in the third floor attic...
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How fuckin' cool is that!!!
My parents were fundamentalist Southern Baptists. No drinkin' no
dancin'...My Dad spent 10 years in the US Navy...He swore, all
sober as well. Smoked like a chimney though.
All my voyages into the world of alcohol, cannabis,
psychedelics,barbiturates,amphetamines,coca
derivatives,opioids,cactus buttons, mushrooms..(Did I leave
anything out??)..Were through sheer introduction and peer
pressure in the "Good" school district my parents worked so hard
to get us moved to....To get us away from the "Evil" Negroes
that LBJ had loosed on our neighborhood via the Fair Housing and
Civil Rights Acts enacted in '65-'66.
My Dad drove me and three buddies to see Jimi Hendrix perform
live at the Sam Houston Coliseum. Dropped us off. Had absolutely
no idea who he was, what color he was.
Had he known, he'd have refused on the basis of Jimi's color. He
just thought he was taking a me and a couple of other "Guitar
Rats" to see some guitar playin' band.
You'll have to take my word on this though...If you'd met my
Dad...You'd have been his friend in two minutes. He was a big,
loveable, bear of a man that never met a stranger. Gregarious,
generous, to a fault...The polar opposite of my mother.
But he had an inbred (From my Grandad) hatred/fear of Black
people and a deep suspicion/disdain towards Jews.
I never felt his racism was the dangerous type...Not like he'd
just off offhandedly beat down someone because of their
color...But I cannot discount that in a mob type circumstance he
might have chanted...Might have joined in....Pains me to think
that...
I figured out where his resentment towards Jews came from...Much
later...When he was young, he lived near Downtown Houston, went
to a school with a LOT of Jewish kids..And felt shut out of
several things...I know this from several things he
said....Talking about his early life...Several people he
mentioned by name...people from what would become prominent
Jewish families...He always said "Jews were Clannish". That told
me he'd felt he'd been shut out. Whether he was or it was just
a matter of perception, it doesn't really matter....Jews have
been persecuted for centuries....I wish he'd had more
understanding..
It was all very odd...Neither he or my Mother had any problems
with any other groups of ethnicity. We had Hispanic friends, we
had South Seas friends, (Filipinos,
Guamanian),Asian,(Chinese,Japanese),..All over to our
house...(My Dad traveled all over in the Oil Tool Industry). All
embraced..Even loved.....
Very odd....I kept my Muddy Waters, T-Bone Walker, Jmi Hendrix,
Otis Redding, B.B King records..Always turned face down in case
he or my Mom walked into my room...
Neither one of my parents were thrilled that I was into music
and especially electric guitar...But they tolerated it...I
supported that particular habit out of my own pocket...Mowing
lawns, working part time jobs in restaurants...See...My home was
not a musical home...Music was for Sunday in
church....Hymns...We had a radio...An old console Victor
model...Wouldn't pickup anything but AM....Every now and then,
my Mom would turn it on to the Classical station....But to this
day...I honestly think it was just that it made her feel
"Classy"....I eventually figured out how to rig it up to play my
guitar through it...But not when they were home....
And I'm rambling.....
sry.
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Re: Regrets, I've had a few
By: The Dudley Lama Date: February 14, 2018, 7:54 am
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i love rambling...
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Re: Regrets, I've had a few
By: bieke Date: February 14, 2018, 10:36 am
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yeah, this thread took an interesting turn
8)
anyways, I still kept my lapsteel, I bought it in NYC in 1996
it's a 1958 Silvertone, same as this one, you can still find
these cheap and they're great little instruments
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and I like to think that Hawaiian music had a huge influence on
rock 'n roll
not musically, although there is some overlap, but more on
style, hawaiian bands started to include show element and
cultivated a band image, things that r&r acts also picked up
over here in Europe, hawaiian music was very popular until r&r
took over, it started here in the mid 1920s, mostly by
indonesian expat players, and as hawaiian music was forbidden
during world war 2, these indonesian players mixed with local
players and started playing local tunes (which was still
allowed), but influenced the local players and after the war,
hawaiian music again was very popular until mid 1950s, when r&r
took over, at least over here in Europe that was how it went,
the birth of Indorock ...
here's a pic of "show", George de Freites playing blindfolded
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and that same player later on played together with the Tielman
Brothers, the most prominent indorock band
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the Tielman Brothers were the r&r pioneers on the continent
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Re: Regrets, I've had a few
By: indigo_dave Date: February 14, 2018, 1:58 pm
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"and I like to think that Hawaiian music had a huge influence on
rock 'n roll"
Regarding that statement, I've heard it said (in my listening
years past to KDHX in St. Louis) that Hawaiian music had an
influence on blues players back in the 1930's or so. Later on
it was a short hop to rock & roll.
I found this:
HTML https://wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/the-american-quest-for-redemption/hawaiis-unexpected-role-in-american-blues-music/
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Re: Regrets, I've had a few
By: The Dudley Lama Date: February 14, 2018, 3:18 pm
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amazing stuff!
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Re: Regrets, I've had a few
By: bieke Date: February 14, 2018, 5:32 pm
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[quote author=indigo_dave link=topic=203.msg2084#msg2084
date=1518638331]
I found this:
HTML https://wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/the-american-quest-for-redemption/hawaiis-unexpected-role-in-american-blues-music/
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nice tidbit
they should have mentioned Sol Hoopii, another one of the great
hawaiian slide players, arrived in San Fransico at age 17
listen to this track from 1927, very authentic slide action and
bluesy
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Re: Regrets, I've had a few
By: indigo_dave Date: February 15, 2018, 8:21 am
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I think it was the PBS mini-series "American Epic" that
covered early Hawaiian recordings, but not sure.
HTML http://www.pbs.org/wnet/american-epic/video/about-the-series/
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Re: Regrets, I've had a few
By: bieke Date: February 15, 2018, 9:15 am
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[quote author=indigo_dave link=topic=203.msg2087#msg2087
date=1518704496]
I think it was the PBS mini-series "American Epic" that
covered early Hawaiian recordings, but not sure.
HTML http://www.pbs.org/wnet/american-epic/video/about-the-series/
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seems like it, I saw the first 2 episodes but then missed out on
the rest
I also read a wel documented book "Haring en Hawaii", it's
focused on hawaiian music in the lowlands (Netherlands) from
where it spread all across europe
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