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       Re: Ordered The Lad's Christmas present tonight..
       By: AJ Date: January 3, 2018, 4:28 pm
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       And it's done!
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       Re: Ordered The Lad's Christmas present tonight..
       By: The Dudley Lama Date: January 3, 2018, 7:50 pm
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       now that you have experience...
       #Post#: 1867--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Ordered The Lad's Christmas present tonight..
       By: AJ Date: January 3, 2018, 8:48 pm
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       [quote author=The Dudley Lama link=topic=158.msg1866#msg1866
       date=1515030632]
       now that you have experience...
       [/quote]
       ..We've already discussed adding onto it. The beauty if this
       thing is, is that's a Stratocaster. That is to say, it's modular
       in  design construction.  Adding on to it would simply be a
       matter of ordering more frame rails and lenses.
       Another dimension of improvement that's started rolling around
       in my head....
       Since the frame that supports it is sitting on stones, we could
       build a lattice of copper pipes in the bottom. I've wanted an
       alternative source of hot water for the kitchen for a long
       time...Takes forever to get hot water to the sink and
       dishwasher. So we could build a small cabinet for an extra hot
       water heater. Plumb it into the kitchen with an auxiliary line
       going to the Greenhouse. Have a source of gentle, windless,
       hydronic heat in the winter for the greenhouse, and with a
       system of valving, run cool water through the pipes in the
       greenhouse floor before it feeds the auxiliary water
       heater...Thus helping to pull some heat from the greenhouse and
       pre-heat the supply water to the auxiliary water heater.
       
       #Post#: 1868--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Ordered The Lad's Christmas present tonight..
       By: The Dudley Lama Date: January 4, 2018, 9:29 am
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       thats a pretty involved loop...   take a look at efficiency of
       that idea... heat loss through distance runs ,,,   cost of
       operating electrical/gas heat as opposed to something like a
       unattached outdoor wood heating unit...    and wind is necessary
       in the greenhouse climate... must move air layers off plant
       surfaces to replenish c02 and 02 depending upon light cycle...
       and moderate/equalize temps...   passive solar can be a viable
       option...  in a small scale, heat storage/mass is the issue for
       passive but there are ways... gravel filled raised beds with
       copper loops for heat exchange...  rectangular honey cans filled
       with water/antifreeze depending upon climes, stacked and painted
       dark red or blue for absorption of solar energy and reflecting
       usable plant light...  all lined up on the north wall...
       #Post#: 1869--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Ordered The Lad's Christmas present tonight..
       By: AJ Date: January 4, 2018, 12:49 pm
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       [quote author=The Dudley Lama link=topic=158.msg1868#msg1868
       date=1515079782]
       thats a pretty involved loop...   take a look at efficiency of
       that idea... heat loss through distance runs ,,,   cost of
       operating electrical/gas heat as opposed to something like a
       unattached outdoor wood heating unit...    and wind is necessary
       in the greenhouse climate... must move air layers off plant
       surfaces to replenish c02 and 02 depending upon light cycle...
       and moderate/equalize temps...   passive solar can be a viable
       option...  in a small scale, heat storage/mass is the issue for
       passive but there are ways... gravel filled raised beds with
       copper loops for heat exchange...  rectangular honey cans filled
       with water/antifreeze depending upon climes, stacked and painted
       dark red or blue for absorption of solar energy and reflecting
       usable plant light...  all lined up on the north wall...
       [/quote]
       That's a pretty involved post.. ;D With a informed and executed
       insulation scheme, heat loss/pickup could be minimized. I am
       going to get some solar powered fans for spring/summer/ fall
       operation on the interior. The greenhouse has an adjustable vent
       window on the south side which I ordered the temp triggered auto
       arm for. That's a great idea with the cans, painted dark to
       absorb heat during the day to slowly disperse it at night. I'm
       stumped at "Honey Cans" though...A quick Google produced nothing
       but Honey vendors...
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       Re: Ordered The Lad's Christmas present tonight..
       By: The Dudley Lama Date: January 4, 2018, 6:06 pm
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       my dad is a bee keeper...  commercially, honey is available in
       rectangular cans... three or four gallons, they stack securely
       fit together compactly...   it would be easy to set up a heat
       transfer type wall with small gaps/air passages to channel air
       between cans
       #Post#: 1872--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Ordered The Lad's Christmas present tonight..
       By: AJ Date: January 4, 2018, 6:11 pm
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       [quote author=The Dudley Lama link=topic=158.msg1871#msg1871
       date=1515110807]
       my dad is a bee keeper...  commercially, honey is available in
       rectangular cans... three or four gallons, they stack securely
       fit together compactly...   it would be easy to set up a heat
       transfer type wall with small gaps/air passages to channel air
       between cans
       [/quote]
       hope your Dad's bee's are faring well these days...The art has
       always fascinated me frankly. It's a rare thing when both sides
       benefit from a relationship when it comes to human/ other
       species partnerships. Beekeeping is one of those rare
       relationships.
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