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Re: Vegas
DIR By: Evil Imp
Date: October 5, 2017, 9:18 pm
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if anyone has any arguments against the points made in these 2
videos, i would like to hear them
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9UFyNy-rw4
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9UFyNy-rw4
p.s for the sake of clarity, i am genuinely interested in
hearing any arguments you might have against the points made in
these videos
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Re: Vegas
DIR By: AJ
Date: October 5, 2017, 9:23 pm
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--- Quote from: Evil Imp link ---
>
> [quote author=AJ link=topic=111.msg1160#msg1160
date=1507255248]I didn't say you looked dumb Nick....You're as
smart as anyone I know. You're an intelligent, sensitive person,
appalled by violence, and i understand that. But you live in a
different country than my own. That's all. You don't know us
like you think you do. Anymore than we know you really.
>
> We're good folks over here Nick. You are judging us, by the
worst of us. You've got your share of daft wankers as well.
>
--- End Quote ---
damn it. i hate the internet. i was joking jim. i wasn't
accusing you of calling me dumb!
i am not judging anyone. i know you are good folk.
the difference is, our wankers can't walk into a shop and buy a
semi-automatic rifle and a few thousand rounds of ammo. if
that's your idea of ultimate freedom, why not sell bombs?
[/quote]
Nick,Nick,Nick...I love you Brother...No, it's not my idea of
Ultimate Freedom. And you're positively as dumb as a rock for
reading that into what i said. ;D
I wouldn't know what ultimate freedom is frankly. I don't think
anyone has experienced that since we climbed down from the trees
and started talking.
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Re: Vegas
DIR By: Evil Imp
Date: October 5, 2017, 9:32 pm
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--- Quote from: AJ link ---
>
> Nick,Nick,Nick...I love you Brother...No, it's not my idea of
Ultimate Freedom. And you're positively as dumb as a rock for
reading that into what i said. ;D
>
> I wouldn't know what ultimate freedom is frankly. I don't
think anyone has experienced that since we climbed down from the
trees and started talking.
>
--- End Quote ---
i love you too brother. i can't just agree to disagree on this
subject though. it drives me mad that intelligent people like
you just don't seem to "get it". you can claim "it's just our
culture", but then you've got to give a pass to the islamic
lunatics who chop kids hands off for stealing because "it's just
their culture". it's insane man.
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Re: Vegas
DIR By: AJ
Date: October 5, 2017, 9:50 pm
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I watched the comedians videos Nick. He makes some valid points,
to be sure. Not going to argue with that. He told a lot of
truths, got a lot of laughs.
I'm not going to argue his points with him or you.
Some folks that lived on my street...Renters, not homeowners.
I'd been kind of watching them to be honest. A lot of traffic,
way too much traffic to my eyes. I think there was drugs being
dealt, but have only my opinion there. Anyway, there was 3
generations living there. Back in August, the older woman, the
Grandma, was at home alone when 2 young men entered the home and
started ransacking it. The Grandma confronted them and they
brandished guns, the Grandma produced one of her own, gunfire
was exchanged and the burglars/gunmen left...One collapsed in
the front yard and died. There still hasn't been a public
disclosure of the nitty gritty on this. I suspect the Grandkids
were dealing dope and the burglars were in fact, in search of
drugs/money. That's not a world that I'm a part of.
My question for you is this.....No gun...Grandma dead, Burglar
alive? Gun, Grandma alive, burglar dead. Which outcome do you
find more palatable?
If you don't believe me..Here's a link
HTML http://abc13.com/grandmother-kills-home-invasion-suspect-near-katy-/2263779/
HTML http://abc13.com/grandmother-kills-home-invasion-suspect-near-katy-/2263779/
The family moved out 2 weeks later...The house remains vacant.
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Re: Vegas
DIR By: AJ
Date: October 5, 2017, 9:58 pm
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--- Quote from: Evil Imp link ---
>
> [quote author=AJ link=topic=111.msg1164#msg1164
date=1507256622]
> Nick,Nick,Nick...I love you Brother...No, it's not my idea of
Ultimate Freedom. And you're positively as dumb as a rock for
reading that into what i said. ;D
>
> I wouldn't know what ultimate freedom is frankly. I don't
think anyone has experienced that since we climbed down from the
trees and started talking.
>
--- End Quote ---
i love you too brother. i can't just agree to disagree on this
subject though. it drives me mad that intelligent people like
you just don't seem to "get it". you can claim "it's just our
culture", but then you've got to give a pass to the islamic
lunatics who chop kids hands off for stealing because "it's just
their culture". it's insane man.
[/quote]
I don't have to give a pass to them Nick. Owning a gun doesn't
make you a lunatic. It doesn't make you a lunatic unless you
achieve lunacy through it. Owning a gun does not make you crazy.
It doesn't make you safe either, granted. It can however give
you an ever so slight edge against a lunatic. Sometimes...Not a
lunatic in an airplane, or with a bomb in a concert, or a
lunatic with a knife if you're a Bobby, or a gambler with an
arsenal.
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Re: Vegas
DIR By: Evil Imp
Date: October 5, 2017, 9:58 pm
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--- Quote from: AJ link ---
>
> I watched the comedians videos Nick. He makes some valid
points, to be sure. Not going to argue with that. He told a lot
of truths, got a lot of laughs.
>
> I'm not going to argue his points with him or you.
>
> Some folks that lived on my street...Renters, not homeowners.
I'd been kind of watching them to be honest. A lot of traffic,
way too much traffic to my eyes. I think there was drugs being
dealt, but have only my opinion there. Anyway, there was 3
generations living there. Back in August, the older woman, the
Grandma, was at home alone when 2 young men entered the home and
started ransacking it. The Grandma confronted them and they
brandished guns, the Grandma produced one of her own, gunfire
was exchanged and the burglars/gunmen left...One collapsed in
the front yard and died. There still hasn't been a public
disclosure of the nitty gritty on this. I suspect the Grandkids
were dealing dope and the burglars were in fact, in search of
drugs/money. That's not a world that I'm a part of.
>
> My question for you is this.....No gun...Grandma dead, Burglar
alive? Gun, Grandma alive, burglar dead. Which outcome do you
find more palatable?
>
> If you don't believe me..Here's a link
HTML http://abc13.com/grandmother-kills-home-invasion-suspect-near-katy-/2263779/
HTML http://abc13.com/grandmother-kills-home-invasion-suspect-near-katy-/2263779/
>
> The family moved out 2 weeks later...The house remains vacant.
>
--- End Quote ---
no guns, no deaths. it's not difficult jim.
think the scenario through again, imagining the grandma didn't
have a gun... she loses some property, but nobody dies. it
happens every day in the uk, and the burglars are usually caught
and sent to prison. unless you're suggesting the burglars would
have shot at her anyway?
the fact you acknowledge the points made by the comedian but
refuse to discuss them is the main problem.
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Re: Vegas
DIR By: AJ
Date: October 5, 2017, 10:02 pm
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--- Quote from: Evil Imp link ---
>
> [quote author=AJ link=topic=111.msg1166#msg1166
date=1507258233]
> I watched the comedians videos Nick. He makes some valid
points, to be sure. Not going to argue with that. He told a lot
of truths, got a lot of laughs.
>
> I'm not going to argue his points with him or you.
>
> Some folks that lived on my street...Renters, not homeowners.
I'd been kind of watching them to be honest. A lot of traffic,
way too much traffic to my eyes. I think there was drugs being
dealt, but have only my opinion there. Anyway, there was 3
generations living there. Back in August, the older woman, the
Grandma, was at home alone when 2 young men entered the home and
started ransacking it. The Grandma confronted them and they
brandished guns, the Grandma produced one of her own, gunfire
was exchanged and the burglars/gunmen left...One collapsed in
the front yard and died. There still hasn't been a public
disclosure of the nitty gritty on this. I suspect the Grandkids
were dealing dope and the burglars were in fact, in search of
drugs/money. That's not a world that I'm a part of.
>
> My question for you is this.....No gun...Grandma dead, Burglar
alive? Gun, Grandma alive, burglar dead. Which outcome do you
find more palatable?
>
> If you don't believe me..Here's a link
HTML http://abc13.com/grandmother-kills-home-invasion-suspect-near-katy-/2263779/
HTML http://abc13.com/grandmother-kills-home-invasion-suspect-near-katy-/2263779/
>
> The family moved out 2 weeks later...The house remains vacant.
>
--- End Quote ---
no guns, no deaths. it's not difficult jim.
think the scenario through again, imagining the grandma didn't
have a gun... she loses a tv, and nobody dies.
the fact you acknowledge the points made by the comedian but
refuse to discuss them is the main problem.
[/quote]
Give me a particular point he made and I'll discuss it Nick.
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Re: Vegas
DIR By: Evil Imp
Date: October 5, 2017, 10:06 pm
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--- Quote from: AJ link ---
>
> Give me a particular point he made and I'll discuss it Nick.
>
--- End Quote ---
are you a responsible gun owner? do you keep your guns in a
safe?
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Re: Vegas
DIR By: Bucky
Date: October 5, 2017, 10:06 pm
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I just want to point out that many people, especially teens,
have made bombs in their own homes. In the Bowling For Columbine
docu, Michael Moore interviewed a guy who was put on a list for
owning the Anarchist’s Handbook and producing small explosives
on his own property. He also interviews Timothy McVie, who is
linked to the unibomber. In fact, Klebold and Harris would’ve
done much more damage if all of their explosives worked. Some of
them did go off, so it’s a crap shoot of luck that they didn’t
kill more people with readily available chemicals.
A few years ago, some guy went after a professor with a gun and
failed to kill him, but there was an internet clip of the almost
comical interaction of the professor dodging bullets by hiding
behind a tree. A woman I knew in Poland decried American gun
laws. I pointed out the shooter would’ve had a better chance if
he simply went after the guy with a knife. Most people aren’t
marksmen.
And I’ll never forget the strange man who murdered several
nurses in their shared home with a single knife in the sixties.
I think it was in Texas. Guy went to prison, became a bitch, and
took hormones to grow breasts.
For me, guns aren’t the problem. People are. I agree guns make
it easier, but people will find a way to cause terror. I
remember after 9/11, a terrorist attack where men seized planes
with box cutters, people wanted us to just blow the middle east
off the map. It’s a serious symptom of our times and mindset.
Where is fancy bread? In the heart or in the head?
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Re: Vegas
DIR By: Evil Imp
Date: October 5, 2017, 10:13 pm
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--- Quote from: Bucky link ---
>
> For me, guns aren’t the problem. People are. I agree guns make
it easier, but people will find a way to cause terror. I
remember after 9/11, a terrorist attack where men seized planes
with box cutters, people wanted us to just blow the middle east
off the map. It’s a serious symptom of our times and mindset.
>
--- End Quote ---
your government literally started a war after that, and
introduced intense security procedures at airports. more
american lives are lost EVERY YEAR from domestic gun violence
than those that were lost on 9/11, yet your government do
NOTHING about it
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