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The Vietnam War
By: AJ Date: September 17, 2017, 8:35 pm
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Just watched the Series premiere of filmmaker Ken Burns(The
Civil War, Jazz, Baseball,The War) new mega series on the
Vietnam War. Like all his projects....An in depth recounting of
the events prior to and during the wide scope and breadth of the
conflict...With the human side as always, paramount.
That war touched all aspects of my, Dave, and Luke's
lives...But I think you'd learn a lot by watching it too Bucky.
Hell I learned a dozen things about it tonight I didn't know.
I recommend it to all....
Edit: Watched the repeat of it as well...Watching the
credits, I caught something I didn't catch the first time..
The original music for the series was composed and
recorded by none other than Trent Reznor and another
fella....Trent Reznor...Of NIne Inch Nails....
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Re: The Vietnam War
By: indigo_dave Date: September 18, 2017, 6:48 am
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I watched it (mostly). First rate. I was interested to hear,
again, how the bloody mess began. I'd heard many years ago in
another PBS doc, but didn't quite remember. I learned that Viet
Nam was a French colony. Invaded, dominated, mistreated and
exploited. Later on dominated, at least in part, and exploited
by the Japanese. Can't remember when the Japanese were
exploiting them, but the doc says there were people starving (in
the north?) while the Japanese had warehouses of food basically
stolen from them.
We should all know these stories because so many Americans beat
their chests and proclaim how we stand for freedom. Often that's
true. But we blundered into supporting the exploiters in Viet
Nam. Fucking CIA seems to be the enablers - sitting on a letter
from Ho Chi Mihn asking Truman to support freedom of the Viet
Namese.
Should be mandatory viewing for fans of Fox News. Probably
zero chance.
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Re: The Vietnam War
By: Bucky Date: September 18, 2017, 6:55 am
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Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross. Ross was in a band with his wife
called 12 Rounds, who Trent signed to his label. The band only
produced two albums and a failed third one, but Ross had a
talent that struck Reznor. They collaborated on the Social
Network, Gone Girl, and Girl With the Dragon Tattoo.
Vietnam is odd to me. It technically began almost as soon as
WWII ended, but you normally only hear about the sixties and
early seventies. My grandfather has a Purple Heart he hides in
his underwear drawer, and my dad told me only a year ago that he
saw a lot of action but never talks about it. But one time, my
grandfather was sitting with his brother, who was talking about
hunting, and he looked at me and said he never went hunting
after Vietnam. That told me enough.
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Re: The Vietnam War
By: Luke17 Date: September 18, 2017, 8:13 am
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It was excellent..it was my era an I was in Service during that
period of time...but stateside.
Of my High school posse, 7 served in 'Nam (all volunteers) 1
Army, 6 Marines. Army guy got a grevious shrapnel wound, I
Marine KIA ..other 5 all wounded, one 4 times.
Looking at my High School yearbook, almost EVERY guy made a
comment regarding the draft and Viet Nam in the little blurb
under their picture...fears, anticipation, some literally dying
to enlist.
I thought I knew a lot about Viet Nam, but I learned a shitload
more last night..
Especially about LBJ..trapped in the early days into a war he
knew we could never win..after winning the election partially
based on his promise to 'lick the North' he later said; 'I feel
like a jackass caught in a Texas hailstorm, I can't run I can't
hide, and I can't make it stop.'
In March 1965, knowing we were in deep shit, he said to a
Georgia Senator ; 'A man can fight if he can see daylight down
the road somewhere, but there ain't no daylight in Viet
Nam..there's not a bit.
But the war went on another 10 long fucking years. ???
Speaking of Trent Reznor...does anyone remember the band 'Prick'
that he produced?
Dave, Japan occupied Viet Nam ( French Indochina) during
WWII..it was part of 'The Greater Asian Co -Prosperity Sphere'
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Re: The Vietnam War
By: indigo_dave Date: September 18, 2017, 7:21 pm
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[quote author=Bucky link=topic=100.msg1008#msg1008
date=1505735710]
Vietnam is odd to me. It technically began almost as soon as
WWII ended, but you normally only hear about the sixties and
early seventies. My grandfather has a Purple Heart he hides in
his underwear drawer, and my dad told me only a year ago that he
saw a lot of action but never talks about it. But one time, my
grandfather was sitting with his brother, who was talking about
hunting, and he looked at me and said he never went hunting
after Vietnam. That told me enough.
[/quote]
My father was in WWII. He lied about his age to get into the
Navy so he was probably 16 or 17. He never talked about it, but
my mother said he was on a ship that was bombed a lot. She said
he spent 7 months in a hospital in Boston. I think he had
classic PTSD. I figured it out on another PBS doc on a
Veterans Day presentation. A woman said her husband, back from
Iraq, would blow his stack over something like an ashtray being
out of place. Sounded vaguely like my father.
The N Viet guy who said something like "The only people who
talk about who won are people who didn't fight in wars. In wars
there are no winners, only destruction.". Powerful. How much
misery that's caused by macho assholes who should be castrated
so they calm down. Just sayin'.
I'll end up watching the first few episodes a couple more times.
Great stuff.
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Re: The Vietnam War
By: AJ Date: September 18, 2017, 7:39 pm
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The next episode is tonight..It repeats at 9 so I'll catch it
then......It's a really sad episode in our history.
Three guys on my street went all three returned. One literally
just sat in his parents front yard all day long, everyday when
he got back. just stared blankly into space. They finally had to
institutionalize him. The other two went on to lead normal
lives, insofar as I know.
One of my buddies did not make it back. Micheal Ramsey, KIA.
When I visited Washington, D.C. several years ago I took a
rubbing of his name on the Wall. I was ok with it.
Couple of years later, another schoolmate of ours came by the
shop one winter afternoon and we spent an hour or so catching
up. I mentioned I'd been to D.C. and taken a rubbing of Mike's
name......We both just fell silent....Then we both broke into
tears. This was 20 years after Mike had died and neither one of
us had ever cried about it before.
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Re: The Vietnam War
By: AJ Date: September 18, 2017, 11:01 pm
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[quote author=Bucky link=topic=100.msg1008#msg1008
date=1505735710]
Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross. Ross was in a band with his wife
called 12 Rounds, who Trent signed to his label. The band only
produced two albums and a failed third one, but Ross had a
talent that struck Reznor. They collaborated on the Social
Network, Gone Girl, and Girl With the Dragon Tattoo.
Vietnam is odd to me. It technically began almost as soon as
WWII ended, but you normally only hear about the sixties and
early seventies. My grandfather has a Purple Heart he hides in
his underwear drawer, and my dad told me only a year ago that he
saw a lot of action but never talks about it. But one time, my
grandfather was sitting with his brother, who was talking about
hunting, and he looked at me and said he never went hunting
after Vietnam. That told me enough.
[/quote]
I had no idea Trent Reznor had done so many soundtracks. I've
seen all those movies.
So much music was fueled by The Vietnam War....I'll wager Luke,
Dave and I could start rattling the songs off and be here for
days.
The rise of Disco music can be directly linked to the end of the
Vietnam War. Not sure why....
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Re: The Vietnam War
By: Bucky Date: September 19, 2017, 1:58 am
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Drugs and escapism. Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
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Re: The Vietnam War
By: indigo_dave Date: September 19, 2017, 10:47 pm
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I kept hearing the sub woofer attached to my TV rumble here and
there throughout the VN doc, so I wasn't surprised when this
detail was mentioned.
I keep liking the music they seem to use to underscore some
point - like playing Dylan's "Masters Of War" or Byrds "Turn
Turn Turn". Of course they don't play the whole songs. Last
night the closing credits had Sam Cooke (I think it was last
night). The first night I heard what I thought might be T-Bone
Walker. Nice choices.
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Re: The Vietnam War
By: AJ Date: September 20, 2017, 6:20 pm
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[quote author=indigo_dave link=topic=100.msg1018#msg1018
date=1505879223]
I kept hearing the sub woofer attached to my TV rumble here and
there throughout the VN doc, so I wasn't surprised when this
detail was mentioned.
I keep liking the music they seem to use to underscore some
point - like playing Dylan's "Masters Of War" or Byrds "Turn
Turn Turn". Of course they don't play the whole songs. Last
night the closing credits had Sam Cooke (I think it was last
night). The first night I heard what I thought might be T-Bone
Walker. Nice choices.
[/quote]
Burn's films always have really good soundtracks....
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