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And God said , Let there be light
By: colin Date: March 22, 2013, 7:57 am
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In the beginning, when God created heaven and the earth, it says
the earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the
face of the deep and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of
the waters.
God's word itself is light. Doctrine of knowledge is light.
Not understanding is darkness. When people have the word of God,
written or even just spoken, if they do not understand it,
darkness is upon their face. They are void and without form. The
word of God will not return void. God says, let there be light.
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God, and
the word was God. He was in the beginning with God and all
things came into being threw. Jesus said, I am the light. Apart
from him nothing came into being that has come into being. In
him was life, he said I am the life, he who sheds blood , sheds
life for the blood is the life. He was the light of men and the
light shines in the darkness but they did not comprehend it.
God created two lights, the greater light to rule the day and
the lesser light to rule the night. The greater light is likened
onto the sun for it shines in the daytime but the lesser light
shines in the night so it is likened unto as the moon and then
God created the stars too. Jacob was likened unto as the sun and
his wife as the moon and his sons as the stars. Jesus is the
true light and he rules the people of the light and his church
while his disciples are his true church, they are like the moon
because they rule the people in darkness and they rule as the
stars as they shine for those in darkness. .
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Re: And God said , Let there be light
By: alphaomega Date: March 22, 2013, 1:19 pm
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just for ease ;
I am going to post genesis one and john one here
genesis one
The Creation
1 (A)In the beginning (B)God (C)created the heavens and the
earth. 2 The earth was [a](D)formless and void, and (E)darkness
was over the [b]surface of the deep, and (F)the Spirit of God
(G)was [c]moving over the [d]surface of the waters. 3 Then
(H)God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 God
saw that the light was (I)good; and God (J)separated the light
from the darkness. 5 (K)God called the light day, and the
darkness He called night. And (L)there was evening and there was
morning, one day.
6 Then God said, “Let there be [e]an (M)expanse in the midst of
the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” 7
God made the [f]expanse, and separated (N)the waters which were
below the [g]expanse from the waters (O)which were above the
[h]expanse; and it was so. 8 God called the [i]expanse heaven.
And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.
9 Then God said, “(P)Let the waters below the heavens be
gathered into one place, and let (Q)the dry land appear”; and it
was so. 10 God called the dry land earth, and the (R)gathering
of the waters He called seas; and God saw that it was good.
john one
The Deity of Jesus Christ
1 (A)In the beginning was (B)the Word, and the Word was (C)with
God, and (D)the Word was God. 2 [a]He was in the beginning with
God. 3 (E)All things came into being through Him, and apart from
Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 (F)In
Him was life, and the life was (G)the Light of men. 5 (H)The
Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not
[b]comprehend it.
The Witness John
6 There [c]came a man sent from God, whose name was (I)John. 7
[d]He came [e](J)as a witness, to testify about the Light, (K)so
that all might believe through him. 8 [f](L)He was not the
Light, but he came to testify about the Light.
9 There was (M)the true Light [g]which, coming into the world,
enlightens every man. 10 He was in the world, and (N)the world
was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came
to His [h]own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to
become (O)children of God, even (P)to those who believe in His
name, 13 (Q)who were [i]born, not of [j]blood nor of the will of
the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
The Word Made Flesh
14 And (R)the Word (S)became flesh, and [k](T)dwelt among us,
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Re: And God said , Let there be light
By: alphaomega Date: March 23, 2013, 3:36 pm
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[quote author=colin link=topic=73.msg306#msg306 date=1363957067]
In the beginning, when God created heaven and the earth, it says
the earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the
face of the deep and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of
the waters.
God's word itself is light. Doctrine of knowledge is light.
Not understanding is darkness. When people have the word of God,
written or even just spoken, if they do not understand it,
darkness is upon their face. They are void and without form. The
word of God will not return void. God says, let there be light.
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God, and
the word was God. He was in the beginning with God and all
things came into being threw. Jesus said, I am the light. Apart
from him nothing came into being that has come into being. In
him was life, he said I am the life, he who sheds blood , sheds
life for the blood is the life. He was the light of men and the
light shines in the darkness but they did not comprehend it.
God created two lights, the greater light to rule the day and
the lesser light to rule the night. The greater light is likened
onto the sun for it shines in the daytime but the lesser light
shines in the night so it is likened unto as the moon and then
God created the stars too. Jacob was likened unto as the sun and
his wife as the moon and his sons as the stars. Jesus is the
true light and he rules the people of the light and his church
while his disciples are his true church, they are like the moon
because they rule the people in darkness and they rule as the
stars as they shine for those in darkness. .
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In this post you have said ;
God's word is light;
BUT IF WE LOOK AT John one we see this light is clearly Jesus
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God, and the
word was God. He was in the beginning with God and all things
came into being threw. Jesus said, I am the light. Apart from
him nothing came into being that has come into being.
therefor; when you say
Doctrine of knowledge is light. are you really saying "DOCTRINE
OF KNOWLEDGE IS JESUS?"
and when you say
Not understanding is darkness.
are you making this darkness part of mankind?
But we see "DARKNESS" to be something that was" before the
foundations of the world
ARE WE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANGELS HERE?
Angels both good and fallen do not understand the purpose and
meaning of man
Jesus said, I am the light. Apart from him nothing came into
being that has come into being
* that includes the darkness
* the angels who live in that darkness before the foundations
of the world
He was the light of men and the light shines in the darkness
* life in the light ; here is the life of men
* a world apart (made and created) outside and apart from the
world of darkness and the angels
* with the created world of darkness being where the angels
dwell ; a new world shines in view of these angels . it is this
created world of the light ( seen in genesis one )
3 Then (H)God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light
and the appearance of JESUS is manifested (not created) and we
see the light (JESUS) act upon the void water
so that the water opens up
*A DRINK OFFERING IS POURED OUT {JESUS}
* SLAIN {separated} ..................................... water
--------- land/water
*
before the foundation of the
world
so darkness is before the world
the world is before mankind
THUS; this darkness is not the state of Adam as he is first
created
when you say ;
God created two lights, the greater light to rule the day and
the lesser light to rule the night. The greater light is likened
onto the sun for it shines in the daytime but the lesser light
shines in the night so it is likened unto as the moon and then
God created the stars too. Jacob was likened unto as the sun and
his wife as the moon and his sons as the stars. Jesus is the
true light and he rules the people of the light and his church
while his disciples are his true church, they are like the moon
because they rule the people in darkness and they rule as the
stars as they shine for those in darkness. .
there are many thoughts here ; some very good; but some very
fuzzy
I believe that fuzziness is
cause by "jumping to quick & and being built upon a foundations
of the light and darkness etc without an understanding as to
what they are"
are you open to discussing "first" ; that light ; that darkness
; the 3 stage of the water { for in another post you said the
sea was something that I do not believe is so} . ???
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Re: And God said , Let there be light
By: colin Date: March 23, 2013, 8:34 pm
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Patrick, The word is doctrine of knowledge but what word? The
word that is heard when you have ears to hear. The word of the
father is hidden in the spiritual tongue and that is the greater
light. Jesus is that light , he is the spiritual word, the word
of God. Not the letter of the law. The word as it is written is
law for sinners but the spirit of it is the glory of the word
and it is the heavenly meaning of the word spoken as parables to
those who do not understand. If you do not understand, if you
are still so dull then you would be considered in darkness. In
the beginning darkness was on the face of the deep. The deep
don't mean deeper understanding, it means people are in a deep
sleep because of their sinful nature, the nature of this world.
Those who lack the knowledge of the father see Jesus in an
earthly nature but those who see him with the higher
understanding see the father. That is the greater light. Those
who see Jesus healing people physically and with the earthly
nature see Jesus, son of man but those who see Jesus with the
same things but spiritually see Jesus as son of God. God gave
his only begotten son that whoever believes in him is saved,
well, Son of God has the divine nature, the Spiritual side of
him. And that is Jesus, the christ, prince of glory, full of
grace and truth. He is the light, the knowledge of God , if you
can see it.
I think you are doing pretty good. I thought I would have
problems on this forum but it seem good to me.
Patrick, honest, I can't take stupid foolishness anymore.
I'll be happy to speak on the waters if you like. Also, if a
mad does not have eyes to see the majesty of the word, if he is
in darkness, then he is blind and this is the divine healing of
the blind. This is the divine healing of the blind that is for
the glory of God. If a man was physically blind and got healed
it would be for his own glory. To say God would cause a man to
live a life of blindness, physically, all that time, what glory
would there be in that. People do not have to sin to be
spiritually blind, it is mans own nature that blinds him the the
Spirit, the heavenly things.
I believe that men will seek and find higher and even higher
righteousness according to his own heart. This is what an evil
person cannot bare good fruit. His own greed and love for his
own life will be satisfied with the things of this world. His
glory then is to be rich with the riches of this world and even
the richness of the understanding this world has of the
scriptures.
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