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#9; God wants an apple ; the story of created perfection
By: alphaomega Date: March 15, 2013, 6:25 pm
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GOD wants an apple ; but apples come from trees.
Trees are not apples but they can make apples.
To make a tree a seed inplaced into the ground;
and in time it grows and matures into the tree.
with maturity the tree will produce the apple.
but if that apple stays with the tree it will come to the point
where it will fall off to the ground and rot.
AND though the apple may produce more trees through it seeds
the apple itself will rot.
BUT the apple that the master selects and the apple follows
has become the apple that God wanted.
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Mark 8 King James Version (KJV)
18 Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not? and do
ye not remember?
19 When I brake the five loaves among five thousand, how many
baskets full of fragments took ye up? They say unto him, Twelve.
20 And when the seven among four thousand, how many baskets full
of fragments took ye up? And they said, Seven.
21 And he said unto them, How is it that ye do not understand?
are not these "seven" the same as 5(loaves) + 2(fish)?
are not these 7 the same as those in the 12(tribes;family)
baskets that are taken up?
are not as the apple that God wants?
22 And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto
him, and besought him to touch him.
23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the
town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon
him, he asked him if he saw ought.
24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
25 After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him
look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.
here a man sees men as trees ; but he himself is that tree whose
fruit is at the masters hand.
the tree is cultivated by the master ; watered so that the
hardness of the land ( man himself from the land) has become
like the clay that it is ; work with the water so that the
master can form it into something useful.
THIS IS THE "good fruit" ; the apple that God seeks ; that which
is pleasing to God.
Song of Solomon 2:3
As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved
among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight,
and his fruit was sweet to my taste.
LIKE I SAID ; God wants an apple
1.Deuteronomy 32:10
He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling
wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as
the apple of his eye.
2.Psalm 17:8
Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy
wings,
3.Proverbs 7:2
Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine
eye.
4.Lamentations 2:18
Their heart cried unto the Lord, O wall of the daughter of Zion,
let tears run down like a river day and night: give thyself no
rest; let not the apple of thine eye cease.
5.Zechariah 2:8
For thus saith the Lord of hosts; After the glory hath he sent
me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you
toucheth the apple of his eye.
BUT THE FATE OF THE APPLE THAT STAYED WITH THE TREE AND NEVER
CAME TO THE MASTER UNTIL IT FELL OFF .....
Jeremiah 7:20
Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, mine anger and my
fury shall be poured out upon this place, upon man, and upon
beast, and upon the trees of the field, and upon the fruit of
the ground; and it shall burn, and shall not be quenched.
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Re: #9; God wants an apple ; the story of created perfection
By: alphaomega Date: March 15, 2013, 7:46 pm
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creating the apple
In the begining was God ;
and god created darkness
and in the darkness angels were created and dwell.
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NOTE; Angels are created outside of God
FROM WITHIN THE HOLY SPIRIT...
------------------------------------------- Genesis 1 King New
Living Translation (NLT)
And the
Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.
Holy
Spirit -------water------- Holy Spirit
WATER APPEARS
AS THE WATER SEPARATES
------------------------------------------- The Drink Offering
Poured
Out
Slain;
{separated}
Before
the foundations of the world
THIS POURING OUT OF THE WATER
ALLOWS LAND TO BE REVEILED
FROM WITHIN THE WATER
THAT WATER WITHIN THE HOLY SPIRIT
------------------------------------------- [-HOLY SPIRIT
---(WATER-----{LAND ---- MAN
FROM THIS LAND COMES THE BODY OF ADAM
THIS BODY COMES TO LIFE AS GOD BREATHES INTO IT
THE IMAGE OF GOD ; THE SOUL OF ADAM
----------------------------------------------------- THE BODY
OF ADAM ( FLESH) THE IMAGE OF GOD (SOUL)
* GOD WANTS AN APPLE
* BUT APPLES COMES FROM TREES
* TREES ARE NOT APPLES
* BUT THEY DO MAKE APPLES
* GOD PLANTS A SEED { the image of God ;
the soul of Adam}
* INTO THE GROUND { the body of Adam}
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Re: #9; God wants an apple ; the story of created perfection
By: alphaomega Date: March 15, 2013, 10:48 pm
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God wants an apple ; but Adam is a tree.
Though he starts off being created inside the Holy Spirit.
THAT APPLE that God is seeking is something that the tree of
Adam can not produce upon his own.
AT THE TREE of knowledge of good & evil ; EVE listens to the
stranger{one who has no family ties }
and in essence leaves the family of GOD.
THIS IS THE ORIGINAL SIN; and thus; all other sins that are
committed by mankind are committed outside the family of God.
THE PROBLEM
1- GENESIS PRE-FLOOD
MANKIND HAS LEFT THE FAMILY OF GOD;
with this sin Adam & Eve become aware of their nakedness. But if
nakedness is the issue here then why does Adam not hide from
Eve? Or Eve hide from Adam? So it is not the issue of nakedness
but rather it is the issue opf nakedness before who? If thought
through; we see nakedness before non-family is the real issue
here.
As Adam & Eve hide their nakedness before God; they have picked
just who is family.
THE MAN BORN BLIND is (are) the children of these two parents of
mankind ; who have left the family of God.
These children ( all of mankind) are also out of the family of
God.
TO MAKE AN APPLE FROM THIS TREE....
********* ISSUES AND LESSONS WILL HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED
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Re: #9; God wants an apple ; the story of created perfection
By: alphaomega Date: March 17, 2013, 2:43 pm
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issues and lessons
We have now left the world of genesis pre-flood
as Noah and his three sons have left the ark.
This is all that is left of mankind which is still out of the
family of God.
THE PROBLEM
1- GENESIS PRE-FLOOD
ALL OF MANKIND IS OUT OF THE FAMILY OF GOD
Out of the family is out of the family and there is nothing
mankind can do about that.
Mankind needs a savior; mankind needs a kinsman redeemer ;
mankind needs Jesus
JESUS does not come into the world at this
point; for the issues and lessons have been set to bring about
the way back for mankind into the family of God. The issues that
will be needed to accomplish this will be seen in the next for
time periods. The lessons behind these issues are those that God
has brought out and there is nothing mankind can do to either
speed them up nor improve them. When the issues are brought
out.... AND THE LESSONS ARE SET FORTH... mankind will still find
themselves out of the family of God; and still in need of a
savior, a kinsman redeemer. THIS will be the time that Jesus
will come into the world and address the issues needed to
provide a way back for mankind into the family of GOD.
THE BIRTH OF JESUS
THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK
2- GENESIS POST FLOOD
NOAH and his family steps off the ark. Shortly thereafter a
rainbow appears and the lessons begins.
LOOKING INTO THE FURTURE { for who could see what God was doing
at that time?} we know that Jesus will come thorugh the line of
Shem. { remember; they of that time didn't know this !!!}
So Shem has the golden fleece ; the linage that will lead to
Jesus and Shem's brothers Japheth and Ham do not!
{ AGAIN; don't ask the people of this time to understand this ;
for God is doing this not them}
IN fact in this time period of GENESIS post-flood ; God will
divide mankind into seven division ( the colors of the rainbow)
to bring about the lesson for mankind.
WHERE DO WE LOOK FOR THE STORY?
of he who will be the savior of mankind
is to be seen in the order of MELCHIZEDEK
as addressed by JESUS at his birth.
the Golden Fleece line
the broken off lines
that leads to JESUS
not in the linage of Jesus
SHEM
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red}------- Japheth
------------------------- orange} -- Ham
{aka} MELCHIZEDEK
MEETS UP WITH ABRAHAM
and the line continues
ABRAHAM -------------------------------------------------------
yellow} --- Lot
ABRAHAM HAS 2 SONS
one continues the line;
one does not
ISAAC-----------------------------------------------------------
green} ---- Ishmael
ISAAC HAS TWO SONS
one continues the line;
one does not
JACOB ----------------------------------------------------------
blue} ----- Esau
* in the feeding of the 5000 those 5 barley (common) loaves are
the people of the
red,
orange, yellow, green, and blue
NEXT; will come the 2 fish
JACOB HAS TWO WIVES
and at the time of his death
he divides the {family}
birth rite promises
given by GOD
between 2 of his sons
indigo} JOSEPH
recieves all of the promises except for
2
through the blessings of his two sons
by Jacob. This is the start of the
northern tribes
who will be lead by Ephriam {Joseph's
son}
and who will be called by Jacobs new
name
Israel. This northern kingdom however
will not
continue in the linage that leads to
Jesus.
violet} JUDAH
recieves those other 2 birth rite
promises
"kingship" and "law-making". This is the
start
of what will become the southern kingdom
seen in the bible as JUDAH. The tribe of
Benjamin will be aligned with Judah in
this
kingdom. `* Judah stands up for Benjamin
before Joseph in Egypt THUS; both
kingdoms have one son each from the
wife that Jacob loved.
THESE TWO FISH will serve in contrast and tandem
throughout the bible story
NORTHERN --------------------SOUTHERN
prodigal son older brother
divorced widowed
( with 2 coins)
ten talents five talents
& the way for
the one (few)
talent of the world
-----------------wedding feast
goes in stays out
but these are family stories and right now
none of mankind is in the family of GOD
IT IS FROM JUDAH
that the golden fleece
linage to JESUS
continues
and before the linage
of Judah
can continue and this
time period
can end
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a woman appears ; TAMAR
The linage of jesus as seen in matthew one verses 1-6 has four
such women
WHOSE MOTHER WAS
each from a different time period
each pointing to a differnt aspect of a time of Jesus on this
earth
each descending from a different (rainbow-barley-common) color
TAMAR
SEEN HERE IN THE TIME PERIOD #2- GENESIS POST-FLOOD
POINTS TO THE BIRTH OF JESUS {from the order of Melchizedek}
descends from ESAU {blue} whose mother was the daughter of
ISHAMEL {green}
and these colors have now
been added into the line that leads to JESUS
*** FOR THOSE WHO TRY TO COUNT THE GENERATIONS OF JESUS
ONE MUST REALIZE JUST WHO TAMAR IS
FOR SHE IS THE WIFE OF JUDAHS SON
THUS
IF JUDAH IS #25
WHEN JUDAH HAS A CHILD WITH TAMAR ( TWINS )
THE CHILDREN ARE NOT #26
BUT ARE #27
FOR BY RULE OF THE KINSMAN REDEEMER
THEY BELONG TO THE FIRST HUSBAND ; JUDAHS SON #26
AND NOW WE LEAVE THE GENSIS POST FLOOD TIME PERIOD
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Re: #9; God wants an apple ; the story of created perfection
By: alphaomega Date: March 17, 2013, 3:30 pm
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THE LIFE OF JESUS
THE LAW
3- JOURNEY TO THE PROMISED LAND
We have left the time period of gensis post flood and moved into
the the time of MOSES.
T he two kindgdoms {northern and southern } have not split apart
from each other and in fact will travel together through the
times of all four women seen in the whose mother was verses of
Matthew one verses 1-6.
Moses is called by God to lead the descendents of the sons of
Jacob into the promised land.
ALONG THE JOURNEY; God gives from his own hand the written law
to Moses; the 10 commandments.
These are a record of the sins of mankind from the Genesis post
flood time period.
1- Thou shalt have no other gods before me.EVE AT THE TREE
2- Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any
likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the
earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.THE
FALLEN MADE MANY SUCH IMAGES
3- Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:THOSE
OF THE LINAGE OF CAIN SOUGHT THE KNOWLEDGE BROUGHT BY THESE
4-Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain;EVE
SEEKING TO BE LIKE GOD
5-Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.Six days shalt thou
labour, and do all thy work:SEEKING JUSTIFICATION IN EFFORTS BY
ONES ACTIONS INSTEAD OF THE DEPENDENCE OF GOD { THE FIG LEAF}
6-Honour thy father and thy mother:CAIN GOING AGAINST THE WISHES
OF ADAM AND EVE
7-Thou shalt not kill.CAIN KILLS ABEL
8-Thou shalt not commit adulteryCAIN TAKES LULUWA
9-Thou shalt not steal.CAIN STEALS THE WIFE OF ABEL
10-Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.CAIN
DISHONORS ALKEMIA BY LEAVING
*** a summing up of 7-8-9-10. Thou shalt not covet thy
neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife,
nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his
ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.THIS SUMMATION IS
POINTING TO JUST WHAT CAIN DID
And with the law given to them they can see what was wrong ;
what is wrong ; and what will lead them away.
BUT WE ALSO SEE that though they had the law, many would die in
the wilderness. Having the law is not enough.
To follow the law is to keep the law perfectly. BUT EVEN KEEPING
THE LAW PERFECTLY does not make you family.
JESUS in his life will be perfect. He fulfills the law. Jesus
will also tell many that their sins are forgiven , but two more
points here
1- he doesn't call them family
2- he still goes to the cross
Those who do not die in the wilderness continue their journey to
the Promised Land ;
BUT Moses dies along the way.
THE PEOPLE will not enter the promised land
a woman appears ;
Rahab
The linage of Jesus as seen in Matthew one verses 1-6 has four
such women
WHOSE MOTHER WAS
each from a different time period
each pointing to a differnt aspect of a time of Jesus on this
earth
each descending from a different (rainbow-barley-common) color
Rahab
SEEN HERE IN THE TIME PERIOD #3- journey to the promised land
POINTS TO THE LIFE OF JESUS { the law}
descends from HAM {orange} whose grandson was Nimrod who founded
Nineveh and the surrounding cities of which the prophet JONAH
had called to repentance of which Rehab learned of this God of
the children of Jacob.
and the color {orange} has been added into the line that leads
to JESUS as Rahab marries Salmon who descends from Judah and
Tamar.
And with the law given to them they can see what was wrong ;
what is wrong ; and what will lead them away.
BUT WE ALSO SEE that though they had the law, many would die in
the wilderness. Having the law is not enough.
To follow the law is to keep the law perfectly. BUT EVEN KEEPING
THE LAW PERFECTLY does not make you family.
JESUS in his life will be perfect. He fulfills the law. Jesus
will also tell many that their sins are forgiven , but two more
points here
1- he doesn't call them family
2- he still goes to the cross
and thus the story continues
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Re: #9; God wants an apple ; the story of created perfection
By: alphaomega Date: March 17, 2013, 10:16 pm
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THE DEATH OF JESUS
THE KINSMAN REDEEMER
4- THE TIME OF JUDGES
THOSE OF OF THE FAMILY OF GOD ;
THOSE WHO NOW HAVE RECIEVED THE LAW
HAVE MOVED INTO THE PROMISED LAND
WHERE WITH THE DEATH OF JOSHUA
In those days there was no king in Israel; all the people did
what was right in their own eyes.
AND YET; God continued with bringing out his story as to what
Jesus is doing to bring about a way back for mankind into the
family of God.
Mankind can do nothing to stop this from taking place, lessons
will be brought out a i will list three of my favorites below
1- from Gideon ;
Judges 6
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
The Sign of the Fleece
36 Then Gideon said to God, “In order to see whether you will
deliver Israel by my hand, as you have said, 37 I am going to
lay a fleece of wool on the threshing floor; if there is dew on
the fleece alone, and it is dry on all the ground, then I shall
know that you will deliver Israel by my hand, as you have said.”
38 And it was so. When he rose early next morning and squeezed
the fleece, he wrung enough dew from the fleece to fill a bowl
with water. 39 Then Gideon said to God, “Do not let your anger
burn against me, let me speak one more time; let me, please,
make trial with the fleece just once more; let it be dry only on
the fleece, and on all the ground let there be dew.” 40 And God
did so that night. It was dry on the fleece only, and on all the
ground there was dew.
36 Then Gideon said to God, “In order to see whether you will
deliver Israel by my hand, as you have said, 37 I am going to
lay a fleece of wool on the threshing floor; if there is dew on
the fleece alone, and it is dry on all the ground, then I shall
know that you will deliver Israel by my hand, as you have said.”
38 And it was so. When he rose early next morning and squeezed
the fleece, he wrung enough dew from the fleece to fill a bowl
with water. 39 Then Gideon said to God, “Do not let your anger
burn against me, let me speak one more time; let me, please,
make trial with the fleece just once more; let it be dry only on
the fleece, and on all the ground let there be dew.” 40 And God
did so that night. It was dry on the fleece only, and on all the
ground there was dew.
2- from Gideon;
Judges 7
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
Gideon Surprises and Routs the Midianites
15 When Gideon heard the telling of the dream and its
interpretation, he worshiped; and he returned to the camp of
Israel, and said, “Get up; for the Lord has given the army of
Midian into your hand.” 16 After he divided the three hundred
men into three companies, and put trumpets into the hands of all
of them, and empty jars, with torches inside the jars, 17 he
said to them, “Look at me, and do the same; when I come to the
outskirts of the camp, do as I do. 18 When I blow the trumpet, I
and all who are with me, then you also blow the trumpets around
the whole camp, and shout, ‘For the Lord and for Gideon!’”
19 So Gideon and the hundred who were with him came to the
outskirts of the camp at the beginning of the middle watch, when
they had just set the watch; and they blew the trumpets and
smashed the jars that were in their hands.
3- from Sampson;
Judges 14
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
Samson’s Marriage
14 Once Samson went down to Timnah, and at Timnah he saw a
Philistine woman. 2 Then he came up, and told his father and
mother, “I saw a Philistine woman at Timnah; now get her for me
as my wife.” 3 But his father and mother said to him, “Is there
not a woman among your kin, or among all our[a] people, that you
must go to take a wife from the uncircumcised Philistines?” But
Samson said to his father, “Get her for me, because she pleases
me.” 4 His father and mother did not know that this was from the
Lord; for he was seeking a pretext to act against the
Philistines. At that time the Philistines had dominion over
Israel.
5 Then Samson went down with his father and mother to Timnah.
When he came to the vineyards of Timnah, suddenly a young lion
roared at him. 6 The spirit of the Lord rushed on him, and he
tore the lion apart barehanded as one might tear apart a kid.
But he did not tell his father or his mother what he had done. 7
Then he went down and talked with the woman, and she pleased
Samson. 8 After a while he returned to marry her, and he turned
aside to see the carcass of the lion, and there was a swarm of
bees in the body of the lion, and honey. 9 He scraped it out
into his hands, and went on, eating as he went. When he came to
his father and mother, he gave some to them, and they ate it.
But he did not tell them that he had taken the honey from the
carcass of the lion.
10 His father went down to the woman, and Samson made a feast
there as the young men were accustomed to do. 11 When the people
saw him, they brought thirty companions to be with him. 12
Samson said to them, “Let me now put a riddle to you. If you can
explain it to me within the seven days of the feast, and find it
out, then I will give you thirty linen garments and thirty
festal garments.
*** but these are family stories and as of yet none of these
people are in the family of God
But in the time of judges a woman does appear;
The linage of Jesus as seen in Matthew one verses 1-6 has four
such women
WHOSE MOTHER WAS
each from a different time period
each pointing to a differnt aspect of a time of Jesus on this
earth
each descending from a different (rainbow-barley-common) color
[b]RUTH;
RUTH is a Moaibite that child that was produced from LOT
{yellow}-{who had separated from Abraham} and his daughter after
the destruction of Sodom.
in the story ; Ruth will be kinsman redeemed by Boaz
*** BUT WHO IS BOAZ? ; he is the son of RAHAB
*** Boaz ; as kinsman redeemer get the bride ; but not the child
that is produced it belongs to the first husband
JESUS as kinsman redeemer gets the bride of christ ; but the
children become the sons of God
THE RULE OF THE KINSMAN REDEEMER
If a man became so poor, that he could not pay his debt he could
be sold into slavery.
The man could avoid this only if he had a kinsman redeemer.
The kinsman redeemer needed t meet 3 conditions to qualify;
1- he had to have the price of the debt
2- he had to pay the price
3- he had to be of kin
when we look at JESUS we see
#1; he lived the perfect life { aquireing the price}
#2; he paid the price { his undeserved death; and now is owed
life}
but this is not enough for there are 3 rules to this lesson ;
not two
original sin was that which took away kinship {family of God}
with GOD;
and it is in this story of the order of Melchizedek that the way
back of that orignal sin is seen.
Mankind being born outside the family of God can do NOTHING to
rectify this problem.
We should be at the point in this story where we start to see
that throught the four women seen in Matthew one verses 1-6
that God is setting up these conditions to tell his story as to
what Jesus is doing to provide that way back for mankind into
the famiy of God.
the christian world sees that Jesus
1- LIVED A PERFECT LIFE
2- PAID THE PRICE FOR OUR SINS
but few see that 3rd condition of a kinsman redeemer and that is
the issue kinsmanship and restoration of that loss of family
with God.
who is JESUS ? THE SON OF MAN !
AND SO FAR IN THE STORY ........ we see the linage of JESUS has
brought kinship to
1- Japheth -------------- no
2- Ham ---------------------------yes ; Rahab
3- Lot -----------------------------yes ; Ruth
4- Ishmael -----------------------yes ; Tamar
5- Esau --------------------------yes ; Tamar
6- Joseph ----------------no
7- Judah ; of coarse yes
and so; the story must !!! continue
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