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why was the devil created ?
By: alphaomega Date: February 27, 2013, 1:34 pm
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since God knows all things from the begining to the end "all at
once"
why did God create the devil ?
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Re: why was the devil created ?
By: beancounter Date: February 27, 2013, 8:45 pm
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Please do tell. I simply trust God that He had good reason.
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Re: why was the devil created ?
By: alphaomega Date: February 27, 2013, 10:33 pm
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[quote author=beancounter link=topic=61.msg215#msg215
date=1362019501]
Please do tell. I simply trust God that He had good reason.
[/quote]
this is a moving of the topic by edwin from the original sin
posting ; into its own topic
i eagerly await his comments
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Re: why was the devil created ?
By: Edwin. Date: February 28, 2013, 3:45 pm
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Thank you both for your posts.
Here is a clue
why was the devil created ?
In order to help humans to obey the first and greatest
commandment.
Mat 22:36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the
Law?"
Mat 22:37 Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your
heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' [fn]
Mat 22:38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
(22:37) Deut. 6:5
Deu 6:5 Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all
your soul and with all your strength.
Every blessing.
Edwin.
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Re: why was the devil created ?
By: Amadeus Date: February 28, 2013, 9:36 pm
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[font=courier]My own clue to my answer may be found in just who
exactly it is that we believe that the devil is? Was he not
Peter? Was he not Judas Iscariot? Was he not the father of those
who opposed Jesus?[/font]
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Re: why was the devil created ?
By: alphaomega Date: March 1, 2013, 3:41 am
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[quote author=Amadeus link=topic=61.msg225#msg225
date=1362108963]
[font=courier]My own clue to my answer may be found in just who
exactly it is that we believe that the devil is? Was he not
Peter? Was he not Judas Iscariot? Was he not the father of those
who opposed Jesus?[/font]
[/quote]
hope you expand your thoughts further
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Re: why was the devil created ?
By: Edwin. Date: March 1, 2013, 6:46 am
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Thank you both for your comments.
In my conclusion the devil is not any of the persons mentioned
by Amadeus.
Look at it this way.
The Lord knew full well that Eve would not have disobeyed Him if
she had not been deceived. And as the enemy of God can do
nothing without Divine permission, we must conclude that the
fall of man was what God wanted.
This however, would mean that He would have to endure the
excruciating agony of death by crucifixion.
Why ?
Which by the way He foreordained from before the foundation of
the world.
Jhn 17:24 Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given
me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have
given me because you loved me before the foundation of the
world.
Eph 1:4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the
world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love
1Pe 1:20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but
was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you
Rev 13:8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone
whose name has not been written before the foundation of the
world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
Bless you both.
Edwin.
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Re: why was the devil created ?
By: Edwin. Date: March 1, 2013, 8:59 am
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A further clue.
Jhn 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay
down his life for his friends.
Blessings.
Edwin.
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Re: why was the devil created ?
By: alphaomega Date: March 1, 2013, 3:41 pm
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[quote author=Edwin. link=topic=61.msg228#msg228
date=1362141970]
Thank you both for your comments.
In my conclusion the devil is not any of the persons mentioned
by Amadeus.
Look at it this way.
The Lord knew full well that Eve would not have disobeyed Him if
she had not been deceived. And as the enemy of God can do
nothing without Divine permission, we must conclude that the
fall of man was what God wanted.
This however, would mean that He would have to endure the
excruciating agony of death by crucifixion.
Why ?
Which by the way He foreordained from before the foundation of
the world.
Jhn 17:24 Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given
me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have
given me because you loved me before the foundation of the
world.
Eph 1:4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the
world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love
1Pe 1:20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but
was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you
Rev 13:8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone
whose name has not been written before the foundation of the
world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
Bless you both.
Edwin.
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i am hoping you will bring your thoughts out more here ( more
than just hints )
while i agree with you you......
so far i think we are still in the "fuzzy" stage here
what are we saying ?
and again i agree with you ( i think)
you have used terms such as before the foundations of he world
is this just a phrase or do you have comments on this ?
note the verse in John speaks of the love of God for Jesus
BEFORE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE WORLD
BUT ; Paul has changed this to say God chose us before the
foundations of the world
just thinking out loud here
is it his choseing us ; or knowing {forknowledge}who will come
to him ?
is the verse in "rev" speaking of that forknowledge?
is this going towards what the verse in "pet" is speaking of?
again just thinking outloud
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Re: why was the devil created ?
By: Edwin. Date: March 1, 2013, 3:57 pm
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In respect of the devil. I was once asked,
"why was he created?"
My reply was,
I will now try to answer this as follows.
Ask your self the question, "What is it that we all of us want
more than anything else?"
Answer:
To be loved for ourselves, for what we are, not for any material
advantage that might be gained, is it any surprise that the Lord
our God also wants to be loved for Himself, for His nature, His
integrity, His personality, His dedication, and so on, but most
of all His Love, and not only for the, "material advantages", He
provides.
That is why it is written.
Mar 12:28 Then one of the scribes came, and having heard them
reasoning together, perceiving[fn4] that He had answered them
well, asked Him, "Which is the first commandment of all?"
Mar 12:29 Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments
is: 'Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one.
Mar 12:30 'And you shall love the LORD your God with all your
heart, with all your soul,
with all your mind, and with all your strength.'[fn5] This is
the first commandment.[fn6]
Mar 12:31 "And the second, like it, is this: 'You shall love
your neighbor as yourself.'[fn7] There is no other commandment
greater than these."
Our Lord Jesus is here quoting Deuteronomy Chapter 6 verses 5,
and 6.
Deu 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!
Deu 6:5 "You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart,
with all your soul, and with all your strength.
Now how can we fallen creatures love Him as He wants to be
loved, unless we have a demonstration, a sign, well Jesus said
at verse 39 below,
Mat 12:38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered,
saying, "Teacher, we want to see a sign from You."
Mat 12:39 But He answered and said to them, "An evil and
adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be
given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
Mat 12:40 "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the
belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days
and three nights in the heart of the earth.
The sign to which He referrers is of course His death by
crucifixion.
When we know that our Creator God, deliberately caused Himself
to be born into the human race, knowing full well in advance
just what we would do to Him, and did not use one iota of His
limitless power to extricate Himself from the excruciating agony
of this horrible death, how can we not love Him for the person
that He is.
But this sacrificial death would be meaningless, if there was no
need for it, and for this reason there had to be an alternative
to God, (The Devil), and we had to become sinners in order to be
saved.
Perhaps this explanation will help to answer the question, "Why
was the Devil created?".
The Lord bless you, and keep you safe.
Edwin.
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