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AN OVERLOOKED STORY FROM THE BOOK OF ACTS
By: alphaomega Date: February 22, 2013, 12:14 pm
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the story of the opposition of JAMES and PAUL is really the
story of what the Jews thought to be the way (with Jesus added
in) compared to what was brand new and set apart.
the story line of this starts not with JAMES and PAUL but with
PETER'S actions of replacing Judas.
HERE James is present but is not appointed by the disciples nor
is he chosen by lot
THEN the Holy spirit comes , and soon miracles occur a in augh,
the people respond by giving everything
IN GIVING EVERYTHING a dependency is created upon those those
whom all has been given to provide for those who have given all
THIS CREATED THE PROBLEM as seen in the issue with Greek and
Jewish widows
THE DISCIPLES WALK AWAY as they understand their "job" to be
giving their witnessed account of JESUS to the world .
THEY APPOINT STEPHEN and six others for the distrubution of food
for those in Jerusalem
IN TIME STEPHEN IS KILLED and "two men" appear. one is seen and
one is not. these two are PAUL who agrees with the killing of
Stephen and the one who is "unseen" here is JAMES.
WITH THE DEATH OF STEPHEN there comes a scattering , but who
takes over this church of JERUSALEM ; is it not JAMES
A QUESTION HERE; was Stephen over PETER?
will then JAMES become over PETER?
GOD SPEAKS and the story of Cornelius come forth
GOD SAYS to Cornelius go get PETER
GOD SAYS TO PETER go see Cornelius
AND AFTERWARDS an explanation is required of PETER from JAMES (
and men of) back at the church of Jerusalem as to why he broke
JEWISH LAW.
PETER EXPLAINS ..... GOD SAID .... THE HOLY SPIRIT CAME TO THESE
and all is agreed upon ---right?
THE INCIDENT AT ANTIOCH is next where the same issue is brought
up.
here we see PETER, PAUL and Barnabus ministering the gosple the
people here. PETER is eating with them ( like the story iof
Cornelius ) when men of JAMES come and confront PETER about such
actions again !!!
PETER bows to JAMES (men of) and returns to Jerusalem.
PAUL and BARNABUS go to the Jerusalem council
and at his arrival PAUL is told many priests have joined in and
the (old way) JEWSISH LAW is being followed. Somewhere in here
PAUL addresses PETER about his leaving ANTIOCH and the
dicussions move to what to do with non-Jewish converts to the
faith.
PETER SPEAKS UP "6 Now the apostles and elders came together to
consider this matter. 7 And when there had been much dispute,
Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that
a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the
Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So
God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the
Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction
between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now
therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of
the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to
bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus
Christ[a] we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”
PETER SPEAKS to the real issue here;
GOD SAYS;THE HOLY SPIRIT ACTS ; and it is what it is!
PAUL SPEAKS AND CONFIRMS PETER'S story of how the Holy Spirit is
working with these non Jewish converts. "12 Then all the
multitude kept silent and listened to Barnabas and Paul
declaring how many miracles and wonders God had worked through
them among the Gentiles."
JAMES like in the story of Cornelius adds into this some JEWISH
LAW.
James answered, saying, “Men and brethren, listen to me: 14
Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to
take out of them a people for His name. 15 And with this the
words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:
16 ‘After this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;
I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will set it up;
17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
Says the Lord who does all these things.’[b]
18 “Known to God from eternity are all His works.[c] 19
Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among
the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to
them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual
immorality,[d] from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For
Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him
in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
THE COUNCIL ENDS and PAUL writes the book to the HEBREWS
PAUL'S FEELING are clearly seen with
Galatians 2:11-13
New King James Version (NKJV)
No Return to the Law
11 Now when Peter[a] had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his
face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men
came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they
came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were
of the circumcision. 13 And the rest of the Jews also played the
hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with
their hypocrisy.
AND BEFORE THIS, PAUL SPEAKS
"6 But from those who seemed to be something—whatever they were,
it makes no difference to me; God shows personal favoritism to
no man—for those who seemed to be something added nothing to me.
7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the
uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the
circumcised was to Peter 8 (for He who worked effectively in
Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked
effectively in me toward the Gentiles), 9 and when James,
Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace
that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right
hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they
to the circumcised"
SO THIS IS AFTER THE COUNCIL OF JERUSALEM and that added in is
this not what JAMES added in at the council ?
Paul in the book to the Hebrews says
men of faith
4 By faith Abel5 By faith Enoch7 By faith Noah,
8 By faith Abraham11 By faith Sarah20 By faith Isaac
21 By faith Jacob,22 By faith Joseph23 By faith Moses,
31 By faith the harlot Rahab
and then the list becomes general
RAHAB is the last one done in speficic listing
FROM THE BOOK OF JAMES
James 1
New King James Version (NKJV)
Greeting to the Twelve Tribes
1 James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,
To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad:
Greetings.
WHAT A STRANGE OPENING for we see JAMES addressing the
non-Jewish 10northern tribes in the same sentence as the 2
Jewish tribes and yet he can't reconize ( the samarians who are
part of this group) WHO told him of such that he would listen
to? AUGH but that is another story
9 Let the lowly brother glory in his exaltation, 10 but the rich
in his humiliation, because as a flower of the field he will
pass away. 11 For no sooner has the sun risen with a burning
heat than it withers the grass; its flower falls, and its
beautiful appearance perishes. So the rich man also will fade
away in his pursuits.
JAMES is the leader of the church of Greek and Jewish widows and
his followers are surley yoked with providing for those who gave
all as well as those who tagged along.
JAMES is confront by PAUL'S book to the Hebrews and PAUL'S words
of those who add nothing to him. PAUL'S theme was "by faith" and
nothing added on ( that added on being what JAMES had said at
the council) JAMES is left to defend his added on words and
responds to his defence .
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.”
Show me your faith without your[d] works, and I will show you my
faith by my[e] works.
HIS EXAMPLES
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works
THE QUESTION MUST BE ASKED WHY RAHAB if not responding to the
claims of PAUL in his book to the HEBREWS?
#Post#: 154--------------------------------------------------
Re: AN OVERLOOKED STORY FROM THE BOOK OF ACTS
By: Amadeus Date: February 23, 2013, 2:39 pm
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[font=courier]I just came over to your forum in response to
Raina's request to do so and read this post. It strikes some
chords in me that require further consideration. Not
immediately, for my mind is tired, but I will come later and try
it again. I haven't completely understood what I have read, but
enough to wonder on it a bit. Thanks AO! [/font]
#Post#: 156--------------------------------------------------
Re: AN OVERLOOKED STORY FROM THE BOOK OF ACTS
By: alphaomega Date: February 23, 2013, 3:58 pm
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[quote author=Amadeus link=topic=55.msg154#msg154
date=1361651941]
[font=courier]I just came over to your forum in response to
Raina's request to do so and read this post. It strikes some
chords in me that require further consideration. Not
immediately, for my mind is tired, but I will come later and try
it again. I haven't completely understood what I have read, but
enough to wonder on it a bit. Thanks AO! [/font]
[/quote]
if you notice it all {mostly}from the book of acts ; this seems
to be an over-looked story ; but it is the story straight from
the bible. i think it wise to read it ; go away and ponder it ;
then re-read it again
ps i would love to hear your thoughts on this ; i find it mind
blowing
and the implications plentiful
i doubt if i understand all that it is saying myself
welcome my friend
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Re: AN OVERLOOKED STORY FROM THE BOOK OF ACTS
By: alphaomega Date: March 19, 2013, 7:00 pm
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i have found the lack of responces and comments of this story
seen in the books of acts quite odd .....
* how many christians are there in the ORTHODOX religion which
claims to have their APOATALIC sucession going back to JAMES ?
WELL here is the JAMES STORY ;
WHY NO DEFENCE OF
HIS POSISTION?
* how many christians who claim to be ROMAN CATHOLIC which
claims to have their APOSTALIC sucession going back to PETER?
WELL here is the PETER STORY;
WHY NO DEFENCE OF
HIS POSITION?
*how many christians who claim to PROTESTANT which owes its
inception to the writings of Paul ?
WELL here is PAULS STORY;
WHY NO DEFENCE OF
HIS POSTITION?
THE ANSWER TO THIS IS OF COARSE;
DENOMINATIONS
ARE BUILT AND FOLLOWED BY "AGENDAS" OF MEN
without reguard
to the intended story of the gospel message.
The gospel story is Jesus;
AND NOT ABOUT THE
AGENDAS BROUGHT BY MEN TO SHOW /PROVE
THIER IMPORTANCE
IN THE KINGDOM
The gospel story is Jesus
* Son of God ~* who he is
* Son of Man ~* what he
did
* The Traveler~* how it
works
** AND THIS IS FAMILY BUSINESS
** THE GREAT COMMISION IS FAMILY BUSINESS
** IT IS THE INVATATION TO JOIN THIS FAMILY
** AND NOT A RELIGION
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