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On Interpreting the Bible
By: Raina Date: November 3, 2012, 10:49 am
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[font=trebuchet ms]Should the Bible be taken literally, or must
all of it be spiritually interpreted?
Is there good in the literal renderings and are they elevated by
the Spirit?
Or is the literal simply the "dead letter" and evil?
What do you think?[/font]
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Re: On Interpreting the Bible
By: Amadeus Date: November 3, 2012, 11:02 pm
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[font=courier]The problem I too often see, whether using a
literal meaning, a spiritual meaning or some combination
thereof, is that we seem to want a clear and fast rule on what
is allowed and what is not allowed based on a verse on verses.
Hypothetical answers may sometimes be right, but they will
almost certainly be wrong at times in the real life situation.
The ten commandments did not work in the OT. The 613 laws did
not work in the OT. That is they did not work to make people
overcomers as Jesus became an overcomer.
Remember when they brought the woman caught in the very act of
adultery in order to tempt Jesus? She was definitely in sin, but
what was in the hearts of those who accused her? What was in her
heart? What did God think of the whole situation?
The black and white laws of the OT seemed to prescribe death for
the woman, but God never did really deal in black and white
decisions, did He? The Psalms of David in particular make this
very clear as does the life of David as described in written
scripture. David did not please God because he always kept the
10 commandments (which he did not) nor did he please God because
he always kept the 613 laws (which he did not).
The woman brought to Jesus had sinned, but at the end of that
particular event she is the only one who definitely left the
scene uncondemned. What was the interpretation of that?
Compare that interpretation with Naboth the man, who was stoned
to death because two liars falsely accused him (I Kings 21.
Naboth as per scripture and the 613 laws was a righteous man.
Jezebel used the law of God to have the man condemned to give
Ahab his land. What was the interpretation of that?
Man's interpretation at the wrong time and the wrong place in
the wrong spirit or for the wrong reason even though seeming to
follow the "rules" does of itself fall short. Only the Holy
Ghost speaking through a person can always the correct
interpretation. The problem is that people who have received the
Holy Ghost will too often not listen to, or pay attention to
Holy Ghost. Too often they do not recognize their Master's voice
and follow some other voice. Too often they have lost their
first love.
There are lots of reasons why the interpretation is wrong, but
ultimately what excuse can there be when the result is not
pleasing to God? [/font]
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Re: On Interpreting the Bible
By: Raina Date: November 4, 2012, 2:34 pm
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[font=trebuchet ms]Thank you, amadeus. So, the main thing is to
listen as we read and ask the guidance of the Spirit in
interpretation, as well as asking for guidance in what we do in
life each day. The written law, by itself, can be misused and
we've Scriptural examples of that very thing. But, the Spirit
will not lead us wrong.
Jesus always listened to and obeyed His Father.
Lord, help us to hear You clearly!
* * * * *
Anyone else?
Patrick! Where are you, bro?
Did the roosterino turn on you? ;D I warned you about the
hazards of keeping one for a pet!!
[/font]
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Re: On Interpreting the Bible
By: alphaomega Date: November 5, 2012, 5:53 pm
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[quote author=Raina link=topic=36.msg46#msg46 date=1351957767]
[font=trebuchet ms]Should the Bible be taken literally, or must
all of it be spiritually interpreted?
Is there good in the literal renderings and are they elevated by
the Spirit?
Or is the literal simply the "dead letter" and evil?
What do you think?[/font]
[/quote]
ok; watch this answer
it cannot be spiritally interpited by those without the spirit
and yet; the bible contains the words that leads one to the
story of Jesus and then life
MY CONCLUSION the bible is not a book of spiritual
interpitations
the two terms that should be used are literal and allegorical
allegorical is not un-truth ; myth or any other such inclanation
towards being unreal
example ;
if one should say i only believe what i see
then play them a song and let them look for the sound
see what i mean?
Jesus is a door
does jesus have a knob? is Jesus attached to side walls?
-------------literal
a literal mind (only) cannot see this
BUT; we all use that allegorical part of our mind to see
see the door ( Jesus) is the way to something else
-------------------allegorical
note the door in both; allegorical uses the liternal door and
combines the uses of said literal door and creates a
"word-picture" to express what makes Jesus a door
see what i mean?; if not make me say it again
the literal readings ( each verse) are but the ingredients
who would pull flour out of the container and serve it as cake?
watch again ; as we explore a parable
literal; -----------------------you are the light
literal; ---------------------- the word is the light
literal; ---------------------- the holy spirit comes to dwell
in you
literal; ---------------------- the father son and holy ghost
are one
the allegorical ; ------------ jesus is the light ; jesus is one
with the holy spirit ; when the holy spirit comes to dwell
--------------------------------within you ; that holy spirit is
the light within you
this is quite different than a said spirtualized interpitation
or what other have drawn out from just the literal reading
do you see the breakfast?
look at those literals again ; bread; eggs; potatoes; and a meat
it is the allegorical that cooked them into what we call a meal
see what i mean ? if not make me say it again
on cf ff ; i did the parable of the sower
i showed that if you read the parable from any of the gosples
you have the literal but incompleted story
mark has a line that is not in the others
mark and luke have a line not in matthew
who went to the market
matthew ; bob and i went to the market at noon
luke ; jake and i went to the market at noon
mark ; i went to the market with luke at noon
so read each version and then tell me ; who went to the market?
the complete answer is ; matthew ; luke ; mark ; bob; and jake
but taking just one of the versions you don't get the complete
story
see what i mean? if not make me say it again
Or is the literal simply the "dead letter" and evil?
no; it isn't evil or wrong ;
it is an ingredient
the casual ( believer or unbeliever) can see the flour or eggs
or potatoes ( the ingredents )
the true follower ( believer ) will kept going till he sees the
breakfast
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the literal (each verse) needs to be fixed into (
cooked/pondered) the whole story ( the meal).
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Re: On Interpreting the Bible
By: Raina Date: November 5, 2012, 8:37 pm
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[font=trebuchet ms]Thanks for all that, Patrick.
I agree. There is much allegory to be found in Scripture.
That's what makes the Bible great literature as well as a holy
book.
And, yes, I do see what you mean about finding the ingredients
and putting them together into a meal of sorts. Kind of like
working a puzzle, finding all the pieces. As in the Gospel
stories, each adds to the other.
There is symbolism, too, as well as types and shadows. I've
studied symbolism some, but not so much the types and shadows.
Need to focus on that sometime.
* * * *
I won't make you say it again. ;D[/font]
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Re: On Interpreting the Bible
By: alphaomega Date: November 5, 2012, 8:46 pm
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[quote author=Raina link=topic=36.msg51#msg51 date=1352169459]
[font=trebuchet ms]Thanks for all that, Patrick.
I agree. There is much allegory to be found in Scripture.
That's what makes the Bible great literature as well as a holy
book.
And, yes, I do see what you mean about finding the ingredients
and putting them together into a meal of sorts. Kind of like
working a puzzle, finding all the pieces. As in the Gospel
stories, each adds to the other.
There is symbolism, too, as well as types and shadows. I've
studied symbolism some, but not so much the types and shadows.
Need to focus on that sometime.
* * * *
I won't make you say it again. ;D[/font]
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that invatation to have to repeat it again ; is open to everyone
gw; you already had this concept ; when you made your topic post
on "puzzle pieces" awhile back ;D
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Re: On Interpreting the Bible
By: Edwin. Date: February 3, 2013, 11:48 am
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This topic brings to mind,
Jhn 7:16 So Jesus answered them, "My teaching is not mine, but
his who sent me.
Jhn 7:17 If anyone's will is to do God's will, he will know
whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my
own authority.
1Cr 2:12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but
the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things
freely given us by God.
1Cr 2:13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom
but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those
who are spiritual.
1Cr 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the
Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to
understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
1Cr 2:15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself
to be judged by no one.
1Cr 2:16 "For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to
instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.
Every blessing.
Edwin.
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Re: On Interpreting the Bible
By: alphaomega Date: February 3, 2013, 4:43 pm
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[quote author=Edwin. link=topic=36.msg125#msg125
date=1359913702]
This topic brings to mind,
Jhn 7:16 So Jesus answered them, "My teaching is not mine, but
his who sent me.
Jhn 7:17 If anyone's will is to do God's will, he will know
whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my
own authority.
1Cr 2:12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but
the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things
freely given us by God.
1Cr 2:13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom
but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those
who are spiritual.
1Cr 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the
Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to
understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
1Cr 2:15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself
to be judged by no one.
1Cr 2:16 "For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to
instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.
Every blessing.
Edwin.
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* john;
if Jesus said i am God what would have been the result ?
Jesus came into this world to do ( fulfill) things;
these things he does ; he does as the son of man.
--birth; FULFILLING THE STORY OF THE ORDER OF
MELCHIZEDEK--from-------------------------- {genesis post-flood}
--life; FULFILLING THE
LAWfrom---------------------------------------------------------
--{journey
to the promised land}
--death;FULFILLING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE KINSMAN
REDEEMER--------------------------------{time of judges}
-- return ( in the time to come when he reveils himself as both
sn of man and son of God )from---------------{kings}
all of these things that are needed for salvation can only be
done by Jesus {who is the son of god}as the son of man.
1cr;
here paul is talking of "pearls"
land ( those from adam) ------------sand ( those from abraham)
but niether of these are taken by the traveler to the fathers
house
THE TRAVELER takes only PEARLS to the fathers house
those of the land
mankind from adam
have many opinions of many things
but they don't have the story of the traveler
the story of Jesus
those of sand
those of
abraham
those two
kingdoms
with their
birth-rite promises
divided by
jacob into
the northern
and southern
by jacobs
divisions of the promises
these two
have the story & history of
( genesis
post-flood)
( journey to
the promised land)
( time of
judges)
( david; the
king)
which leads
to jesus
and what he
does as
son of god
and man
but those of pearls
are those of land
who have heard the
story of sand
aliens who live
among this are counted as native born
and continued to
journey
into the water /
oyster
old man dies new
creation is born
and have been
changed into pearls
let us remember that when we look at the words of paul; they are
an after-thought or commontary and what has already taken place
for the thief on the cross has been been saved and our way of
salvation is eactly the same as that of the thief on the cross
1Cr 2:12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but
the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things
freely given us by God.
the spirit of the world is really no spirit at all; it is no
more than the blindness that original sin brought to mankind
WHERE-AS the spirit from God is none-other than the HOLY SPIRIT
which only has been given to dwell within "PEARLS" for this is a
family thing ( though in the past it has acted upon selected men
but not within them)
1Cr 2:13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom
but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those
who are spiritual.
these spiritual truths then are taught by the Holy Spirit to
those ("PEARLS") who have become that new creation and cannot be
seen by those of land { for they need the story of the sand }
or even sand (for they still need to go into the
water/oyster)for they still live in darkness
1Cr 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the
Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to
understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
what is called the natural man has only the physical life of the
mind & body and cannot precieve "family things" of the Holy
Spirit
1Cr 2:15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself
to be judged by no one.
THE SPIRITUAL PERSON has already been judged for they gave-up
their life and turned it over to their kinsman redeemer ; they
now live life as that new creation. Even thou they still live
the life in the physical flesh ; the phisical flesh has become
just a vehicle for moving around and is not part of the new
creation itself.
1Cr 2:16 "For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to
instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.
the old man knew nothing of the HOLY SPIRIT ; the new creation
is family and as children we don't instuct the father.
but we have the mind of Christ ..... I think is better stated we
are in the family of God ; and not that 'we know" everything
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Re: On Interpreting the Bible
By: Amadeus Date: February 23, 2013, 2:57 pm
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[font=courier]As I keep on reading your posts my understanding
of them is improving. I saw some good things, IMHO, in the above
post. I will keep on reading what you write, AO, and hopefully
the Lord will help me to see more fully what you are already
seeing. Probably a lot of what you see overlaps some of what I
see.[/font]
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Re: On Interpreting the Bible
By: Edwin. Date: March 3, 2013, 3:45 am
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alphaomega.
You say,
"if Jesus said i am God what would have been the result ?"
Have a look at,
Jhn 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before
Abraham was, I am."
Jhn 5:30 "I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my
judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of
him who sent me.
And let me have your comments.
Edwin.
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