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Re: Voyager
By: Gregory Date: February 4, 2023, 2:59 pm
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Unimportant in terms of the size of our planet, perhaps, but the
fact is that we live on this tiny planet whereas nobody lives on
the sun or the other planets. I'd say that gives us a certain
importance.
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Re: Voyager
By: Beverly Date: February 6, 2023, 11:11 am
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Important to whom? Of course believers in God, especially the
traditional Judeo-Christian God believe we are important to him,
or important to the universe as a whole because of him. Even if
we believe this, our significance is still only relevant to us
alone, especially given Greg's point about we being the only
sentient beings in the knowable universe (so far.)
Galileo paid a price for opening the door to the realization
that we are insignificant in the universe. Brave him!
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Re: Voyager
By: guest8 Date: March 6, 2023, 5:53 am
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I think it is more than likely that there is life on other
planets in this vast universe of ours.
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Re: Voyager
By: Gregory Date: March 8, 2023, 3:15 am
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[quote author=Roses link=topic=9.msg1986#msg1986
date=1678103603]
I think it is more than likely that there is life on other
planets in this vast universe of ours.
[/quote]
There are many forms of life, though. A simple amoeba is a life
form. So is an ant. The existence of life forms in itself
doesn't necessarily mean sentient or intelligent creatures.
Still, given the unimaginably huge number of galaxies, many
containing planetary systems conducive to life forms, there's a
high probability of the existence of sentient beings. However,
given the huge distances involved, it's unlikely we will ever
find out by direct contact with them, although no doubt Captain
Kirk and his crew will still keep going where no one has gone
before.
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Re: Voyager
By: Beverly Date: March 8, 2023, 11:16 am
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Wondering if anyone here has read up on the recent Webb Space
Telescope discovery that some were saying critically challenged
the accepted model for the universe's beginnings.
I found this article that explains how the findings do not
necessarily challenge the Big Bang Theory and wanted to pass it
along:
HTML https://www.space.com/james-webb-space-telescope-didnt-break-big-bang-explained
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Re: Voyager
By: Stephen Horsfall Date: March 20, 2023, 9:14 am
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[quote author=Gregory link=topic=9.msg2093#msg2093
date=1678266949]
[quote author=Roses link=topic=9.msg1986#msg1986
date=1678103603]
I think it is more than likely that there is life on other
planets in this vast universe of ours.
[/quote]
There are many forms of life, though. A simple amoeba is a life
form. So is an ant. The existence of life forms in itself
doesn't necessarily mean sentient or intelligent creatures.
Still, given the unimaginably huge number of galaxies, many
containing planetary systems conducive to life forms, there's a
high probability of the existence of sentient beings. However,
given the huge distances involved, it's unlikely we will ever
find out by direct contact with them, although no doubt Captain
Kirk and his crew will still keep going where no one has gone
before.
[/quote]Quite. For us to make contact, there needs to be not
only life, not only intelligent life, not only intelligent and
technologically advanced life, but intelligent, technologically
advanced life not too far away from Earth in astronomical terms,
so that their broadcasts have time ot make it here. If there's
such life on a planet 3,000 light-years away, they'd've had to
be transmitting radio waves for the last 3,000 years. Even,
then, any contact would be one-way. We couldn't have a
conversation with them, if we had to wait decades or centuries
for each reply. Tardises and warp drives will almost certainly
never become real science.
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Re: Voyager
By: Leslie Date: April 1, 2023, 11:41 am
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I don't know what Roger Penrose thinks about the Big Bang
Theory, but I don't see it discredited anywhere else at the
moment.Of course I have only read the first couple of chapters
of The Emperor's new Mind. Circa 1988. Penrose was concerned in
this book about his ideas on AI and algorithms and the Turing
machine. It is not a book you can read at all unless your
Mathematics is good in my view. Penrose does not believe that AI
can supersede human intelligence, even though algorithms can
beat humans at chess. He has written one book since that book
was published and I haven't attempted to read it.
Which brings me to my point here. AI applications on the
computer are driving me mad.They are more and more complex and
difficult to comprehend.From telling Bell Canada I don't want to
go paperless because I don't want my information on the Cloud or
somewhere in the sky to saying basically the same thing to "My
Account" by the Canada Revenue Agency, or my finances being in
the Cloud from the banks. I want paper, more paper, that is
more convenient to me and more costly to them. They can afford
it. I don't want my purchase data to be used as part of an
advertising algorithm for future marketing methods of consumer
products.
In fact I am cutting down on subscribing to almost everything
that did appear on my computer screens.
I want to be a modern day Luddite, by refusing to go along with
mad schemes of progress, not by smashing their computers.
We are all human here, not robots.
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Re: Voyager
By: gwinnie Date: June 30, 2023, 5:53 am
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It’s not so much about robotising the customers, rather it seems
to be about reducing staffing costs this maximising profits. The
real problem with AI and automation in a world where we need to
work to make a living is the steady eradication of jobs for
people. I hope the politicians are working on this..
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