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Voyager
By: Val Date: January 29, 2023, 7:10 am
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Space has always held a special place for me, when as a child
I'd lie outside at night time looking at the stars and wonder
what might be out there, and then The Apollo Missions, I just
couldn’t get enough and listened to every broadcast and when we
go the papers I read everything I got my hands on, I wrote to
NASA and they sent me a cardboard cut-out of Apollo 8 the Apollo
Saturn V launched in 1968,
Apollo Missions
HTML https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/missions/index.html
And the love and mystery continues
Voyager 1 and 2 so far away that it takes light 22 hours to
reach us and still sending data and taking instruction from
mission control, you couldn’t but feel how insignificant we
humans and out tiny planet really are
Voyager
HTML https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status
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Re: Voyager
By: Gregory Date: January 29, 2023, 9:18 am
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Yes, but our sense of insignificance surely stems from our
consciousness and evolved intellectual faculties which enable us
to think in such terms; ie. we are puny evolved higher primates
on a tiny planet in a tiny planetary solar system in one of
billions of galaxies in a universe of infinite age, and yet we
can somehow get the big picture. There are those who say that
consciousness is what it is all about for sentient beings like
ourselves and what unites us ultimately to the seemingly
unfathomable physical rest of the material universe, dark matter
included, which is imbued with varying degrees of consciousness.
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Re: Voyager
By: Stephen Horsfall Date: January 29, 2023, 11:36 am
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See also Psalm 8.
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Re: Voyager
By: Gregory Date: January 29, 2023, 12:08 pm
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The problem with that is that it is not going to have much
credibility with a non-believer and, in any event, says nothing
about the phenomenon of human consciousness. An interesting
figure in that field is Dr. Iain McGilchrist:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iain_McGilchrist
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matter_with_Things
There are various youtube videos in which he expounds his ideas
in interviews and discussions.
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Re: Voyager
By: Beverly Date: January 30, 2023, 11:05 am
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Having grown up about thirty miles south of Cape Canaveral
(Kennedy now), my childhood memories are inexplicably linked to
the early space program there. From our rooftop, we watched all
the launches, which looked more like a fiery ball arcing towards
the heavens. The Mercury program, especially the 1961 Mercury
Atlas launch, where Enos the chimpanzee first orbited the earth,
is the most memorable. (Not counting the Moon Landing!) Because
of this, I began to ponder space--especially its infinite
nature. My poor mother (God rest her soul) had to endure my
endless questions about where exactly heaven could be (as in,
could we one day get there by rocket) and just how impossible it
seemed that anything, even God, could have no beginning or end.
Her efforts to explain these things often ended with an
exasperated, "Go out and play!" :D
Greg, my youngest son might be interested in Iain McGilchrist.
In the past year or so he's shared a growing interest in the
nature of consciousness and what such implies about existence
and God.
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Re: Voyager
By: Gregory Date: January 30, 2023, 11:41 am
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It would be worth passing on the lengthy article in the second
link, Bev, which gives a detailed overview of McGilchrist's
work. I'm particularly struck by this passage:
"McGilchrist asks and attempts to answer the question "what is
truth?", before turning to a wide-ranging exploration of the
nature of reality: the coincidence of opposites (the idea that
at a deeper, higher or transcendent level, apparent opposites
may be reconciled or find union); the one and the many; time;
flow and movement; space and matter; matter and consciousness;
value; purpose, life and the nature of the cosmos; and the sense
of the sacred. McGilchrist further argues that consciousness,
rather than matter, is ontologically fundamental."
As one fascinated by the dialectical process (thesis,
antithesis, synthesis) as a way of arriving at broad
conclusions, "the idea that at a deeper, higher or transcendent
level, apparent opposites may be reconciled or find union" has
much resonance for me. It has echoes of Arthur Koestler's
concept of a hierarchy of seemingly disparate elements which
cohere into greater wholes the higher up the scale one goes.
There's also Jung's concept of "synchronicity" where
coincidences can be seen as part of a greater connective
pattern. Indeed, I'm engrossed by such connections which I see
constantly occurring in many forms and which form parts of a
greater whole or pattern. You have to be constantly on the
lookout for them, though, and be sensitive to their
manifestation, albeit often seemingly hidden, like a face
discerned in a random set of leaves or simply a stain on a wall.
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Re: Voyager
By: Beverly Date: January 30, 2023, 12:29 pm
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Wonderful post, Greg.
On McGilchrist's quote: "the idea that at a deeper, higher or
transcendent level, apparent opposites may be reconciled or find
union" This is something my youngest talks quite a bit about.
Speaking of, he's just walked in, so I will pick up on this
later.
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Re: Voyager
By: Val Date: January 30, 2023, 4:00 pm
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[quote author=Gregory link=topic=9.msg176#msg176
date=1675100463]
It would be worth passing on the lengthy article in the second
link, Bev, which gives a detailed overview of McGilchrist's
work. I'm particularly struck by this passage:
"McGilchrist asks and attempts to answer the question "what is
truth?", before turning to a wide-ranging exploration of the
nature of reality: the coincidence of opposites (the idea that
at a deeper, higher or transcendent level, apparent opposites
may be reconciled or find union); the one and the many; time;
flow and movement; space and matter; matter and consciousness;
value; purpose, life and the nature of the cosmos; and the sense
of the sacred. McGilchrist further argues that consciousness,
rather than matter, is ontologically fundamental."
As one fascinated by the dialectical process (thesis,
antithesis, synthesis) as a way of arriving at broad
conclusions, "the idea that at a deeper, higher or transcendent
level, apparent opposites may be reconciled or find union" has
much resonance for me. It has echoes of Arthur Koestler's
concept of a hierarchy of seemingly disparate elements which
cohere into greater wholes the higher up the scale one goes.
There's also Jung's concept of "synchronicity" where
coincidences can be seen as part of a greater connective
pattern. Indeed, I'm engrossed by such connections which I see
constantly occurring in many forms and which form parts of a
greater whole or pattern. You have to be constantly on the
lookout for them, though, and be sensitive to their
manifestation, albeit often seemingly hidden, like a face
discerned in a random set of leaves or simply a stain on a wall.
[/quote]
Good post Greg, I have much interest in the synchronicity of
coincidences, I think you should move this post to its own
heading so we can dig much deeper over the coming weeks, what do
you think?
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Re: Voyager
By: Gregory Date: January 31, 2023, 3:31 am
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My post, with earlier links, has now been moved to its own
thread, Val. It hadn't occurred to me as well to start a new
thread. Pity - that would have been quite a coincidence... ;)
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Re: Voyager
By: Val Date: February 4, 2023, 1:49 pm
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I think this shows how unimportant we really are
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