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       Bassist of world's crappest and most pretentious band ever dies
       By: Stephen Horsfall Date: May 19, 2023, 6:24 am
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       One down, three to go.
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       Re: Bassist of world's crappest and most pretentious band ever d
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       By: Lyn Date: May 19, 2023, 12:52 pm
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       Charming man but at the end of the day I ask, what difference
       does it make? I expect we've heard it all before.
       I was never familiar with The Smiths but a colleague's son used
       to listen to their music none stop whilst revising for bar
       exams.
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       Re: Bassist of world's crappest and most pretentious band ever d
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       By: Leslie Date: May 20, 2023, 5:47 am
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       I think listening to any kind of modern 'music' is a
       generational thing, a phase the generation after mine has to go
       through.I missed it all thank God. And am none the worse for it.
       The phase among young people here back in 1957, was romantic
       love music, which being heterosexual male I enjoyed hoping I
       would meet someone in Canada who reciprocated . It took a long
       time before that happened, which looking back stood me in good
       stead as I made a success of my marriage... So far..and avoided
       cultural sex inclined errors.. The church helped there too,
       Vatican 2's misreading instructions were not fully in place.
       Among Young Catholics back then there were meetings to play at
       someone's place, semi-classical music on records, not the modern
       popular in some quarters , because it was new, rock type, to
       satisfy the restless non churchy soul.
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       Re: Bassist of world's crappest and most pretentious band ever d
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       By: Lyn Date: May 20, 2023, 6:16 am
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       I like romantic music too, Leslie. There is still a lot about
       and always has been.
       Though not familiar with 'The Smiths', I was aware their songs
       were known to be depressing or rather, expressed depressive
       feelings.  They obviously struck chords with some people or they
       wouldn't have enjoyed their niche popularity.
       Greg posted on this thread yesterday, I saw it briefly but the
       post had disappeared by the time I came back.  From what I
       remember he was not a fan of the Smiths :-).
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       Re: Bassist of world's crappest and most pretentious band ever d
       ies
       By: Gregory Date: May 20, 2023, 10:58 am
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       [quote author=Lyn link=topic=78.msg5429#msg5429 date=1684581419]
       Greg posted on this thread yesterday, I saw it briefly but the
       post had disappeared by the time I came back.  From what I
       remember he was not a fan of the Smiths
       [/quote]
       Not exactly - I didn't know their music. In any event, I saved
       my post before wiping it as I sometimes do in case I relent and
       post it again. Here it is:
       "Having lost interest in pop music in the 1980's when this group
       was at its height, I don't remember them. Still, they might well
       have chosen a more interesting name than the boring The Smiths.
       For example, they could have parodied another group of the time,
       Duran Duran, and called themselves Durex Durex (first single
       Johnny Come Lately perhaps?) Anyway, better latex than never..."
       I subsequently watched a couple of videos of them. Not to my
       taste but I fail to see why Steve is so anti them. And that
       (late) bass player, Andy Rourke did sound good.
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       Re: Bassist of world's crappest and most pretentious band ever d
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       By: Stephen Horsfall Date: May 20, 2023, 3:21 pm
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       I'm not saying the Smiths were rubbish, but I once walked past a
       venue where they were appearing. There were two bouncers
       outside, grabbing people and throwing them in.
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       Re: Bassist of world's crappest and most pretentious band ever d
       ies
       By: Lyn Date: May 20, 2023, 5:05 pm
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       And that really happened; I know because Steve was there :-).
       I feel a video is appropriate:
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       Re: Bassist of world's crappest and most pretentious band ever d
       ies
       By: Gregory Date: May 21, 2023, 4:57 am
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       Not really my cup of tea, but not bad, a certain engagingly
       wistful quality to the song and the singer's voice, and the
       instrumental backing is solid enough. Oil give it foive.
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       Re: Bassist of world's crappest and most pretentious band ever d
       ies
       By: Lyn Date: May 21, 2023, 6:08 am
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       I'd give it 6.5, not bad at all. However I looked at another
       video of theirs yesterday and did not enjoy watching them at
       all, particularly the singer whom I found extremely odd and a
       little creepy.  Nothing wrong with being odd and a little creepy
       in the entertainment world (Sparks spring to mind whom I don't
       dislike), vive la difference et tout ça, but that one wasn't to
       my taste.
       Obviously not to Steve's taste either for different reasons but
       his reaction was extreme.
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       Re: Bassist of world's crappest and most pretentious band ever d
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       By: Stephen Horsfall Date: May 22, 2023, 7:53 am
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       Morrisey, the "vain and creepy" singer, is extremely vain and
       pretentious (He insisted on his autobiography appearing as a
       Penguin classic, and Penguin shamefully gave way), and has
       flirted with far-right politics.  I always think that using a
       surname alone is rather pretentious (cf also Kennedy, the
       fiddler).
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