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Jehovah's Witnesses
By: Val Date: February 19, 2023, 8:11 am
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Hello fellow Thaddeans
On organised religion, and first off I will say that I do not
belong to any religious organisation although I was born into
the Catholic faith.
I married herindoors in a Catholic ceremony with all the
trimmings in 1977 and mostly since then we are happily married,
she who must be obeyed studied with JW members from about 1980
and became a baptised Jehovah’s Witness in 1983 and is very
happy with her choice, she is a very devout Christian and would
give her last slice of bread; and is there to help anyone in
need regardless of their faith or lack of it.
So I started this topic to get Thaddeans views on JW’s and if
they have had any interaction with the organisation, I do find
the members of the organisation to be very genuine hardworking
individuals but some of their beliefs a bit silly like not
celebrating birthdays or other nonspiritual holidays and not
taking full blood products..
Anyway …fire away
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses
By: guest8 Date: February 19, 2023, 8:24 am
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When our adopted Downs Syndrome son was about 16 months old he
had to have a blood transfusion, which saved his life. He is of
Greek Cypriot origin and has a blood disorder, which we didn't
know about, he was very allergic to the broad beans I had given
him. When a couple of JWs called I told them about his blood
transfusion knowing their religion didn't approve of them. They
told me in no uncertain terms that he would be better off dead
than have a blood transfusion. My reaction was to frogmarch them
off our property. >:(
On the occasions we have had a JW visitation since then I say,
"No thanks", and shut the door having no wish to converse with
them.
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses
By: guest6 Date: February 19, 2023, 8:29 am
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I am sure many JW's are hard-working, caring people. The
organisation itself, however, is cruel.
I only know of them due to their attitude to gay people and the
already mentioned blood refusal issue.
This article on why I think they are cruel says it all for me
(apologies in advance, it is long):
HTML https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/homosexuality-gay-jehovahs-witnesses.php
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses
By: guest8 Date: February 19, 2023, 9:33 am
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It is so very sad that some people can't see that loving a
person of the same sex is not wrong, or a mental illness as some
think it is.
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses
By: Lyn Date: February 19, 2023, 10:01 am
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I don't think people still believe that being homosexual is a
mental illness, Roses, whatever else their opinion may be on the
subject. There is too much evidence that it is far from being a
psychological problem. Nor is it genetic or
hereditary/familial, neither can gay people make someone else
gay, not that they would want to.
As for those JWs who said what they did about your son and his
blood transfusion, they should have known better because the
belief amongst them is that God does not judge children or
anyone who cannot make a choice about whether or not to have a
transfusion, ie if an adult had an accident, was unconscious and
it was an emergency.
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses
By: guest8 Date: February 19, 2023, 10:03 am
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I know for a fact that some people still believe homosexuality
to be a mental illness!
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses
By: Gregory Date: February 19, 2023, 11:15 am
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[quote author=Val link=topic=54.msg1265#msg1265 date=1676815870]
So I started this topic to get Thaddeans views on JW’s and if
they have had any interaction with the organisation, I do find
the members of the organisation to be very genuine hardworking
individuals but some of their beliefs a bit silly like not
celebrating birthdays or other nonspiritual holidays and not
taking full blood products..
Anyway …fire away
[/quote]
The JW's first and foremost are not remotely a Christian church
(they don't even use that word; it's 'the organisation' for them
and 'kingdom hall' for their meeting place) the
pseudo-theologians of what is essentially a bizarre, 19th
century millenarian sect founded by a religious charlatan
calling himself 'Pastor' Russell with a series of false
predictions, date after uncompleted date (1879, 1914, 1925,
1975, etc.) about the end of the world at Armageddon. Their
laughable interpretation of biblical theology would put the most
braindead religious simpleton to shame and yet, there they still
are - what's left of their piddling 8 million members in the
world today (pity about the 8 billion to be destroyed at
Armageddon, whenever that comes) standing in street squares with
their placards and nobody correctly giving them the time of day.
Many members have died because of their refusal of blood
transfusions. Also, according to my research, various organ and
eye transplants were refused in the 1970's only to be accepted
again later (hard luck on those who suffered the original ban.)
Val's take on their beliefs being "a bit silly" is a nice
understatement, but presumably out of kindness to his wife, who
presumably is still a member of the sect, undergoing certainly
its own last days (those of the world let's leave it in its own
due time.) As for them being in his experience nice, decent
folk, so what? There are countless people out there who are
nice, decent folk and have nothing to do with religion.
Let me reiterate. According to my research, there are, as I
said, around 8 million members of the 'organisation' today, a
pitiful growth of only around 2 million in the last three
decades. Let's be real. They're a species in danger of
extinction (and good riddance!)
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses
By: Val Date: February 19, 2023, 11:46 am
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Well Greg, I take it from your post that you are not too fond of
the JW’s organisation or anything to do with them.
But if you are willing I'd like to take a few of those views and
see where they lead.
First I’d like to ask you what does it take to be Christian and
why JW’s are not in your opinion.
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses
By: Gregory Date: February 19, 2023, 12:43 pm
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Well, Val, there's so much that could be said on the subject but
we only have space for a few posts with a few lines. Anyway, I'd
say in the first place that although there are evident
differences between the main Christian denominations, they're
broadly agreed on the fundamentals of the faith, such as the
Trinity and the various established creeds which define the
Christian faith*, which the JW's reject out of hand. There's
also to my mind the evident absurdity that a small group of
late-19th century American millenarian breakaways from the
mainstream churches could claim to be God's only people after
almost twenty centuries of millions upon millions of adherents
to the mainstream churches until arriving at only 8 million JW's
worldwide today after 150 years of existence. Again, hard luck
on the doomed 8 billion now whom they say will be destroyed if
they're not JW's at Armageddon. If God wants to save as many
people as possible**, it seems unlikely that he would have
chosen a relatively tiny group of people who only turned up
almost two thousand years after Jesus Christ to spread their
ideas (again, hard luck on those millions who lived in between
the times.)
Anyway, I think that's enough for now, except that all the
erroneous date-setting predictions by the JW's should be enough
to discredit them apart from anything else.
* They can be found online.
** "This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior,
who wants everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of
the truth." (1 Timothy 2:4. Emphasis mine.)
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses
By: Leslie Date: February 19, 2023, 4:57 pm
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How can you have two opposing truths, as on may be right and the
other wrong, or vice versa. Or both can be wrong , but they
cannot both be right.
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