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       #Post#: 1862--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Catholic News
       By: Lyn Date: March 2, 2023, 9:30 am
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       I don't get this conversation and, Leslie, there was no reason
       at all to be so rude to Bev.  She was trying to engage in
       discussion with you.  As for the British monarchy, they are not
       gods and don't pretend to be which is why there have been good
       and bad kings and queens, some a mixture of both.
       Why do your posts invariably centre around abortion and
       homosexuality, there are other issues worthy of discussion.  I
       wonder if you talk like this with your friends and family.
       #Post#: 1868--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Catholic News
       By: Leslie Date: March 2, 2023, 10:55 am
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       Bev, rudeness is a separate issue.
       Kings and Queens of England I have not spoken about.
       The topic was drag queens in a Calgary public library. That was
       the news that started this discussion on homosexuality. That
       should answer your questions Lyn.
       No one is answering my questions and those who wrote here are
       all of the same mind.
       #Post#: 1870--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Catholic News
       By: Lyn Date: March 2, 2023, 11:37 am
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       [quote author=Beverly link=topic=50.msg1509#msg1509
       date=1677095587]
       [quote author=Leslie link=topic=50.msg1507#msg1507
       date=1677091669]
       Strange you have not mentioned Queen Elizabeth 1,as the
       acknowledged expert in controlling her unwilling subjects.
       [/quote]
       My impression is that no one is using England's monarchy as the
       only true model or standard to live by. I've also never heard
       anyone justify colonizing other nations, especially with regard
       to their treatment of the lower classes.
       Your defense of the Catholic Church is different though and all
       criticisms posted here are, imho, honestly and rightly exposing
       some horrible behavior by the Church as an institution (I refer
       to the covering up of the sexual abuse of children.)
       Speaking of, I'm reminded you posted somewhere a criticism of
       Pope Francis for not condemning priests having sex with other
       priests, or something along that line (sorry, can't remember
       where you posted this.) But, you didn't give him credit for all
       he's said and done to address the sexual abuse of children and
       the efforts to cover it up--which has included changing one
       Canon law.)
       [/quote]
       You did mention Queen Elizabeth 1, Leslie, and Bev responded to
       that and other things.
       #Post#: 1874--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Catholic News
       By: Leslie Date: March 2, 2023, 12:56 pm
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       Well, Queen Elizabeth 1, did authorize execution of many of her
       subjects for religious reasons under the name of treason.
       It is a strain to keep this thing going when, after trying to
       define our terms on what causes homosexuality, I got no answers
       and was called a bigot for even mentioning it, when the topic is
       really the drag queens of Calgary .
       #Post#: 1876--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Catholic News
       By: guest6 Date: March 2, 2023, 1:23 pm
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       No. You were the one that said homosexuality was "intrinsically
       disordered". You bang on all the time about it.
       You are old enough to just live and let live by now.
       Drag queens I can take or leave, but I doubt they are doing any
       more harm than other men that wear long dresses.
       As to the man being dragged out for disrupting the reading.
       Good.
       I'm sure you would approve if I was dragged out for protesting
       one of your church gatherings.
       Sauce - goose - gander.
       #Post#: 1887--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Catholic News
       By: Leslie Date: March 2, 2023, 4:12 pm
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       You talk a lot of nonsense.
       #Post#: 1905--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Catholic News
       By: Lyn Date: March 3, 2023, 11:45 am
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       That was very rude, Leslie, what Andrew said made sense and he
       is entitled to his opinion as are you.
       I doubt very much that Andrew speaks often to his friends and
       family about homosexuality (or abortion),  as often as you.
       When you are a reasonably mature adult, there are plenty of
       other issues far more interesting than the sexual preferences of
       our fellow humans.
       #Post#: 1910--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Catholic News
       By: Val Date: March 3, 2023, 5:18 pm
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       [quote author=Leslie link=topic=50.msg1887#msg1887
       date=1677795124]
       You talk a lot of nonsense.
       [/quote]
       Andrew posted this quote  on the 2nd February and I think you
       should read this again Leslie
       "We can disagree and still love each other unless your
       disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my
       humanity and right to exist.
       James Baldwin"
       #Post#: 1911--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Catholic News
       By: Leslie Date: March 3, 2023, 8:25 pm
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       I know one thing Val, and I have complained it before, that I
       should not have to put up with personal insults from Lyn, about
       my 'alleged defects' of character. That is not the subject of
       debate. We are here to debate a subject not the 'messenger' who
       is not the subject.
       And so complaints about rudeness are out of order. First of all
       it is none of her business to interfere. Nor, is it any of her
       business to criticize me for debating homosexuality just because
       it is not high on the agenda in England. America and Canada are
       different societies who take 'grooming' of children through drag
       queen shows in public libraries seriously. They don't want their
       children to be exposed to simulated acts and dildoes and other
       gadgets used by them. That is happening here over the Atlantic.
       That is why we discuss these things a lot on Christian websites
       to counteract the influence of secular humanism, and atheism.
       #Post#: 1912--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Catholic News
       By: guest8 Date: March 4, 2023, 2:39 am
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       Leslie, many of your posts do you no favours at all!
       It is important that children have discussions about all aspects
       of sexual activity from an early age, which we did with our
       children. We told them that gay or straight it was not a
       problem. We also discussed the importance of using
       contraceptives when they were in a relationship.
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