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       Re: Catholic News
       By: Lyn Date: August 26, 2023, 10:54 am
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       There are churches who have a Latin mass which is useful for
       overseas visitors who do not know the vernacular, and for those
       who enjoy the beauty of the Latin.  I went occasionally when I
       worked in central London.  They do, however, all say and mean
       the same thing.
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       Re: Catholic News
       By: Leslie Date: August 26, 2023, 11:52 am
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       [quote author=Lyn link=topic=50.msg8155#msg8155 date=1693065281]
       There are churches who have a Latin mass which is useful for
       overseas visitors who do not know the vernacular, and for those
       who enjoy the beauty of the Latin.  I went occasionally when I
       worked in central London.  They do, however, all say and mean
       the same thing.
       [/quote]
       If before about 1962 then the Tridentine Mass was used in Latin.
       After that date we use  the Novus Ordo which is in English. The
       liturgy is not the same for both Masses.
       #Post#: 8187--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Catholic News
       By: Lyn Date: August 27, 2023, 5:08 am
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       The core of the Mass is still the same.
       There are many churches here which still celebrate a Tridentine
       Mass but you may to travel a bit.
       For some, a simple Mass is sufficient, it's quiet and I have to
       say I always found it quite moving.  However, I have enjoyed a
       Tridentine Mass.
       #Post#: 8232--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Catholic News
       By: Leslie Date: August 27, 2023, 4:56 pm
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       I know for certain that the Oratory near the lake in Parkdale
       Near where I visited a retired journalist a month ago has a
       Tridentine (Latin Mass). I don't like that area of the city, and
       it is stop and go all the way by car.
       Mary is content with what we already have at two local churches
       so I guess I will put up with Novus Ordo.
       This morning though the music was like muzak, One 'hymn' didn't
       even have the writer of it printed in the hymnal. My wife was
       hugged by the lector, who has a nice voice and went to choir
       school for his education. Mary taught him in grade school. He
       shook hands with me, so I decided not to complain to him about
       his choice of hymns.Heaven forbid that I would ask for the Latin
       'Agnus Dei. Some ladies on the front seats may faint.
       #Post#: 8247--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Catholic News
       By: Lyn Date: August 28, 2023, 4:19 am
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       :-)
       #Post#: 8510--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Catholic News
       By: Leslie Date: September 3, 2023, 4:07 am
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       There is a remarkable piece of writing today in The Catholic
       Thing  by Anthony Esolen, entitled To Build, But Expect No Help.
       It means from the Catholic Hierarchy.
       One of the best, religious articles I have read for ages.
       #Post#: 8512--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Catholic News
       By: Leslie Date: September 3, 2023, 6:49 am
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       Here is another one, this time a detailed description of how
       words and phrases got into our everyday vocabulary , thank to
       Herbert Marcuse. I read years ago, his book One Dimensional Man,
       and it did not make sense to me.
  HTML https://www.newsmax.com/george-j-marlin/marcuse-rufo/2023/08/28/id/1132346/
       He is vehemently anti Christian.
       #Post#: 9041--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Catholic News
       By: Leslie Date: September 22, 2023, 8:50 am
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       "We are travelling through a desert of illusion in our surreal
       modern world with the  phantasms of the human person and the
       family that dominate our culture. The Wisdom of Chesterton on
       the family is an oasis, from which we may draw water joyfully"
       Thomas Cardinal Collins former Archbishop of Toronto, Ontario.
       #Post#: 9333--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Catholic News
       By: Leslie Date: September 30, 2023, 9:22 am
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       I noticed a collections envelope for tomorrow's church
       collection called Special Offering
       for the Healing & Reconciliation Collection. Well I tore it up
       and put it in the garbage after the propaganda tv CBC broadcast
       about indigenous children being 'killed' in residential schools
       this morning. Not one body of one kid has been found in the so
       called 'unmarked graves' of the Catholic residential schools.
       We have enough problems with dissident priests who are, LGBT
       advocates plus those who committed sexual offences against young
       people to deal with. Our money is being spent on payouts to
       victims of abuse. The money comes from the pockets orignally of
       poor working Catholics who gave money to the church every week
       in the past.
       And today the Pope is creating 21 new Cardinals which means he
       has created 121 since taking office. I wonder how many of them
       believe in the authentic church dogma I believe in?
       #Post#: 9417--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Catholic News
       By: Val Date: October 3, 2023, 5:27 pm
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       Just like Ireland the Canadian Indigenous people were treated
       with contempt by the Catholic Church but in those residential
       homes/schools, in Canada it was slightly worse than Ireland.
       Between 1883 and 1997, more than 150,000 children taken; often
       forcibly from their homes and families, and placed in distant
       boarding schools where the focus was on manual labour religious
       instruction and cultural assimilation, Researchers have found
       records of 4,118 children who died at residential schools under
       dubious circumstances. But that is just the tip of the iceberg,
       In 1907, Indian Affairs chief medical officer Peter Bryce
       reported some truly disturbing findings to his superiors. After
       having visited 35 government funded schools in western Canada,
       Bryce reported that 25 percent of all children who had attended
       these schools had died; at one school, the number was 69
       percent.
       Reports throughout the years of these schools were awful living
       conditions, hard work, hardship, poor food and little of it, so
       hunger and malnutrition lead to these deaths.
       To further the torture between 1948 and 1952, 1000 children were
       used in an experiments on the effect of malnutrition.
       Children have told stories of being forced to dig graves for
       their school friends who died  while suffering themselves,
       children sick with TB and other diseases were placed in
       dormitories with healthy children, when near deaths they were
       sent  to racially segregated Indian Hospitals where conditions
       were sometimes worse that what they left.
       Just imagine this went on in one form or another until 1997.
       When the Irish and Canadian Governments and the Catholic
       hierarchy are forced into allowing the excavation of these
       graves then the horrible truth will be laid bare and that day is
       not too far away.
       In his multiple speeches over the week of his visit to Canada,
       Pope Francis described the school system as a policy of
       assimilation and enfranchisement, and that it harmed families by
       undermining their language, culture, and worldview.
       "I condemned it, taking away children, changing culture, the
       mind, traditions, a so-called race. A whole culture," Pope
       Francis told reporters.
       "Yes, it's a technical word, genocide. I didn't use it because
       it didn't come to mind. But yes, I described it. Yes, it's a
       genocide."
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