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       #Post#: 4560--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Canadian News
   DIR By: Leslie
       Date: April 29, 2023, 11:00 am
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       --- Quote from: Lyn link ---
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       > You've said it, Leslie, the Anglican church was started by a
       divorcee.
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       > There was a time when Charles would not have been able to
       divorce without renouncing the throne.  Those days are over.
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       > There are plenty of divorced people who are devout Christians.
       >
       > The Church has to meet people where they are now and not take
       against them because of what happened in the past. The CofE
       generally does that these days and it is what Jesus did.
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       --- End Quote ---
       You mean the church has to accept sin as normal. I didn't see
       Jesus doing that.
       #Post#: 4564--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Canadian News
   DIR By: Lyn
       Date: April 29, 2023, 11:38 am
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       A divorced person is not a sinner, Leslie.  Maybe they sinned in
       the past but Jesus would have forgiven them, telling them to sin
       no more.  He came to save the sinners, He said as much:
  HTML https://biblehub.com/luke/5-32.htm
       The 'righteous' in that context are those who are respectable in
       the eyes of the world.
       #Post#: 4566--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Canadian News
   DIR By: Leslie
       Date: April 29, 2023, 11:54 am
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       --- Quote from: Lyn link ---
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       > A divorced person is not a sinner, Leslie.  Maybe they sinned
       in the past but Jesus would have forgiven them, telling them to
       sin no more.  He came to save the sinners, He said as much:
       >
       >
  HTML https://biblehub.com/luke/5-32.htm
       >
       > The 'righteous' in that context are those who are respectable
       in the eyes of the world.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       You sin as a divorced person when you marry or shack up while
       your previous partner is still alive.
       You don't save sinners by allowing them to continue in their
       sins. Repentance means you are sorry for your sins and have a
       firm resolution in mind not to commit them again.
       #Post#: 4569--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Canadian News
   DIR By: Lyn
       Date: April 29, 2023, 1:28 pm
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       Of course they have to be sorry for their sins and not just
       sorry they've been caught.   I can't see anything wrong with
       divorced people remarrying and having a new start even if their
       ex spouse is still living. The chances are the ex will be doing
       the same.
       #Post#: 4570--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Canadian News
   DIR By: Leslie
       Date: April 29, 2023, 2:24 pm
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       --- Quote from: Lyn link ---
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       > Of course they have to be sorry for their sins and not just
       sorry they've been caught.  I can't see anything wrong with
       divorced people remarrying and having a new start even if their
       ex spouse is still living. The chances are the ex will be doing
       the same.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       What I am writing about is Catholic teaching, and what you are
       saying is not correct.
       We just have to disagree here.
       #Post#: 4597--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Canadian News
   DIR By: Lyn
       Date: April 30, 2023, 3:08 am
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       I realise you are approaching this topic from a traditional
       Catholic perspective, Leslie, but you must know that not
       everyone is a Catholic.  On here they are not and a couple that
       we know of, devout Christians, are divorced. You make your
       pronouncements sound as though they are law, rather than saying,
       "The Catholic Church teaches that...", or similar.
       Not all Catholics are staunch Traditionalists.  In the 'real
       world' there are quite a few Catholics who are divorced,
       remarried (& no, they didn't get an annulment, that's a
       different scenario), and are in full communion with the Church.
       #Post#: 4606--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Canadian News
   DIR By: Beverly
       Date: April 30, 2023, 11:07 am
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       --- Quote from: Leslie link ---
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       > You mean the church has to accept sin as normal. I didn't see
       Jesus doing that.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       The Pharisees saw Jesus as doing just that, Leslie. Jesus
       stopped the people from stoning a woman caught prostituting
       herself. The stoning was a legal practice for such a sin and
       even seen as necessary in order to maintain the purity of
       community. Jesus told her to "go and sin no more," but that
       obviously was not considered a viable solution by law. They also
       grumbled when he allowed the prostitute to anoint his feet with
       oil and cleaned his feet with her own tears. Even some of the
       disciples were concerned about how this looked, Jesus allowing
       such a woman to even enter the premises.
       I agreed with your earlier comment about Henry VIII breaking
       from the Catholic Church so he could divorce his wife and marry
       another. There's no Christlike justification for what he did.
       You also raise a very interesting question about whether
       Cromwell would have been allowed to colonize northern Ireland
       had the monarchy still been aligned with the Catholic Church.
       Very interesting! But, having said that, despite the Church of
       England's beginnings, the COE itself--like any other protestant
       version of Christianity--could still represent Christ crucified
       and resurrected for the people, which ultimately is the most
       important reason for Christianity to exist.
       #Post#: 4620--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Canadian News
   DIR By: Lyn
       Date: April 30, 2023, 2:28 pm
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       ✅
       We don't get a lot of up to date Canadian news here but I
       thought this might be of interest as Leslie has mentioned the
       Public Service Workers strike more than once. I don't have an
       opinion on it:
  HTML https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada
       #Post#: 4706--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Canadian News
   DIR By: Leslie
       Date: May 1, 2023, 9:03 am
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       It is interesting that a settlement has been reached at the
       table, but it must still meet the approval by vote of the
       membership for the large group of PSAC workers.
       The tax union has still to come to an agreement.Today is the
       last day for the public to file their annual T1 tax returns.
       I don't know the issues the tax union has at the table, but the
       press has been saying last week that it is a question of layoffs
       by seniority, as if there is something wrong with that. They
       forget, or don't know that senior workers in private practice
       are often laid off after many years service of doing the job
       because management doesn't want to pay their high salaries,
       often they have no pension. They are replaced by two younger
       workers and they expect the laid off senior worker to train
       them.
       I have seen it happen. That is why any union fights for
       seniority rights in its contract.
       Another complaint from some in the media is that the public
       sector is higher paid than the private sector. Then it is time
       the rich private sector paid decent wages.
       I was deterred from joining the public sector many years ago
       because the private sector paid more. Now the tables are turned.
       #Post#: 4750--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Canadian News
   DIR By: Leslie
       Date: May 1, 2023, 1:38 pm
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       I have thought of a place where Trudeau could spread some good
       will and cheer. It is 10,490 kms or 6,520 miles away from
       Toronto. It has latitude 15.508 N, and longtitude 32.523 East .
       I can guarantee you he would get a warm reception there.
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