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       Devastation
       By: Gregory Date: February 8, 2023, 7:37 am
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       We've seen scenes of whole buildings collapsing like houses of
       cards in the earthquake in the Middle East with thousands of
       people buried beneath them. We've also seen scenes, but over
       many months now, of scenes of devastation of towns and cities in
       Ukraine, the one caused by natural processes (clashing techtonic
       plates) and the other by warfare, human failure to advance
       beyond the primitive stages of evolution in terms of conflict,
       rivalry, clanishness, tribalism and so on, despite advances in
       other areas, in the end the law of the jungle.
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       Re: Devastation
       By: Stephen Horsfall Date: February 12, 2023, 3:37 am
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       True - but there's more human culpability in the earthquake
       devastation than might at first appear. Hundreds of arrest
       warrants have been issued against construction firms for
       inadequate construction of supposedly quake-proof buildings in
       Turkey, and the fact that Syria is divided between
       government-held and rebel-held areas is hindering relief
       efforts.
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       Re: Devastation
       By: Gregory Date: February 12, 2023, 6:54 am
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       In that case, there's an evident conflation or crossover of
       human and natural agency, but the stark fact of the blind
       processes of nature being endlessly matched by humanity's
       givenness to conflict ever since (although in a fictitious
       context, a film, '2001') the higher primate progenitor of
       humanity hurled that animal bone into the air and realised its
       aggressive potential is writ large on the pages of our history.
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       Re: Devastation
       By: Lyn Date: February 19, 2023, 9:51 am
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       👍
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       Re: Devastation
       By: Leslie Date: December 6, 2023, 7:09 pm
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       Another type of devastation is that Microsoft and other tech
       experts are deliberately changing things without permission for
       the worse. I am fed up with their manipulations and that is one
       thing that will go off the internet altogether.
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       Re: Devastation
       By: Stephen Horsfall Date: December 7, 2023, 12:15 am
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       [quote author=Leslie link=topic=39.msg11552#msg11552
       date=1701911382]
       Another type of devastation is that Microsoft and other tech
       experts are deliberately changing things without permission for
       the worse. I am fed up with their manipulations and that is one
       thing that will go off the internet altogether.
       [/quote]Hardly in the same league as earthquakes and wars.
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       Re: Devastation
       By: Lyn Date: December 7, 2023, 2:24 am
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       [quote author=Leslie link=topic=39.msg11552#msg11552
       date=1701911382]
       Another type of devastation is that Microsoft and other tech
       experts are deliberately changing things without permission for
       the worse. I am fed up with their manipulations and that is one
       thing that will go off the internet altogether.
       [/quote]
       I haven't noticed anything untoaward, Leslie.
       Are you really, actually devasted by this? Sounds like
       hyperbole.
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       Re: Devastation
       By: Gregory Date: December 7, 2023, 3:01 am
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       The literal meaning of devastation is destruction of or damage
       to physical objects or entities. Its only non-literal or
       figurative use is to describe an extreme emotional state,
       usually as a reaction to very bad news, as in Lyn's example. It
       can, of course, be abused in this sense; eg."I was devastated
       when they told me they would have to operate on my ingrowing
       toenail." Hyperbole indeed...
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       Re: Devastation
       By: Leslie Date: December 7, 2023, 6:47 am
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       it is devastating to me when you can't trust your computer to
       give you what you want which is happening now. I expect "no
       change" in procedures from Microsoft and yet they change
       methodology every so often to make things "better" for you.They
       cause confusion. Leave thev bl****y thing alone, we just got
       used to the previous rules and regulations.
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       Re: Devastation
       By: Lyn Date: December 7, 2023, 6:50 am
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       I too have microsoft and haven't noticed anything recently that
       interferes with my use, certainly not that 'devastates' me.
       This thread is surely about real devastations, not minor
       irritations.
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