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       Hurricane Helene and Global Warming
       By: Beverly Date: September 30, 2024, 1:30 pm
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       The news coming out of Western North Carolina about the
       devastation caused by Hurricane Helene is being described as
       Biblical. My parents were living in that area when my father
       died, so I know the area fairly well. I was surprised to learn
       how many homes, roads, and bridges have been destroyed given the
       elevation (Great Smokey Mountains.) I remember seeing clouds all
       around us as we would drive the roads around where my folks
       live. It will take months before we learn just how devastating
       this has been to the area.
       Also, flooding has caused significant damage around Tampa Bay
       where my oldest son and his family live. They know so many
       people who have lost cars and homes due to flooding.
       It’s unbelievable to me that with so many weather disasters of
       this proportion happening in such succession that anyone would
       deny that the human impact on the environment is the cause here.
       #Post#: 19447--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hurricane Helene and Global Warming
       By: Leslie Date: September 30, 2024, 6:11 pm
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       At least 116 people were killed by hurricane Helene, in
       Florids,Georgia,Tennessee,plus North Carolinas. Many have lost
       their homes. The Americans have suffered immensly and deserve
       Canada's help. Give them some financial aid. Mr.Trudeau. They
       are our best ..friends.
       #Post#: 19452--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hurricane Helene and Global Warming
       By: Lyn Date: October 1, 2024, 6:01 am
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       Bev there have always been devastating hurricanes, all over the
       world.  The sea becoming warmer may make them worse but I don't
       think we can blame global warming for everything.
       #Post#: 19456--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hurricane Helene and Global Warming
       By: Leslie Date: October 1, 2024, 11:06 am
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       Having travelled for years on Inter state 75 at Christmastime
       and we then
       Came back at the beginning of March. We travelled through
       Michigan.Ohio, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Georgia plus  our
       destination state of Florida, and encountered only one .
       Hurricane Charlie which damaged our roof and swimming pool and
       some water went in on the carpets. Mostly beautiful scenery all
       the way down to 18081 Brazil Avenue, Port Charlotte.
       #Post#: 19460--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hurricane Helene and Global Warming
       By: Beverly Date: October 1, 2024, 1:06 pm
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       [quote author=Lyn link=topic=254.msg19452#msg19452
       date=1727780511]
       Bev there have always been devastating hurricanes, all over the
       world.  The sea becoming warmer may make them worse but I don't
       think we can blame global warming for everything.
       [/quote]
       Yes, there are natural reasons for global warming, which is why
       a debate even exists. But, it’s imperative we look at how much
       we are contributing versus how much is natural if we are to
       reverse this awful trend. However, over thirty years ago, in his
       The Diversity of Life, Edward O Wilson said then that the
       “canary in the mine” had likely already died with regards to us
       being able to recover from the consequences of our unnatural
       impact on the Earth’s ecosystems and climate.
       #Post#: 19504--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hurricane Helene and Global Warming
       By: gwinnie Date: October 5, 2024, 6:14 am
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       I read somewhere (source lost, sorry) that the damage in the
       Appalachians is on a geological scale.
       #Post#: 19508--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hurricane Helene and Global Warming
       By: Lyn Date: October 5, 2024, 8:07 am
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       [quote author=gwinnie link=topic=254.msg19504#msg19504
       date=1728126851]
       I read somewhere (source lost, sorry) that the damage in the
       Appalachians is on a geological scale.
       [/quote]
       Yes gwinnie, and Bev too, good post.
       It has been quite devastating in some areas, I was reading about
       it last night and felt scared for the people affected, and their
       relatives who can't get in touch with them.
       My son came back last week, he managed to miss it.
       #Post#: 19518--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hurricane Helene and Global Warming
       By: gwinnie Date: October 6, 2024, 6:59 am
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       I’m so glad your son is safe, Lyn.
       #Post#: 19519--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hurricane Helene and Global Warming
       By: Lyn Date: October 6, 2024, 7:23 am
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       Thanks. I knew he would be and he wasn't worried for himself but
       some of his work took him near the hurricane zone, thankfully
       not at the time it all happened.
       I was reading today about one poor woman who lived where an
       entire street disappeared into the sea, homes, shops, cars,
       everything gone.
       People moan about British weather (which I don't think is too
       bad on the whole, just unreliable, and we do have quite decent
       sunny and warm spells), however there is nothing like the sort
       of devastation experienced with Helene.  Even our hurricane of
       1987 was nowhere near that, and other things that have occurred,
       like Boscastle and the odd earth tremor.  We are fortunate.
       #Post#: 19572--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hurricane Helene and Global Warming
       By: Beverly Date: October 8, 2024, 7:44 am
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       [quote author=gwinnie link=topic=254.msg19504#msg19504
       date=1728126851]
       I read somewhere (source lost, sorry) that the damage in the
       Appalachians is on a geological scale.
       [/quote]
       Yes, Asheville where my parents lived is no more. Literally
       swept away. My brother had planned a trip back there in a few
       weeks, and he says now there’s no way. Everything is gone.
       I posted in the weather thread about Milton, an unprecedented
       (saying this too often now) storm that crossed over from the
       Pacific to the Gulf of Mexico via the Yucatán Peninsula before
       strengthening. The NHC is saying this is the most powerful storm
       to ever form in the Gulf, but we have a cold front that will
       shear away some of its power before it makes landfall, Still,
       though, it could be as high as Cat3 which is still very
       powerful.
       Also, the NHC just released a potential flooding map which
       covers the entire state of FL. For our area, a “rare-pink” color
       (according to the local meteorologist) is being used predicting
       70% likelihood of flash flooding which covers the entire Central
       Florida area coast to coast.
       This is a scary one. I’m most concerned about my oldest and his
       family. They live in the infamous Tampa Bay Area, which is still
       trying to recover from flooding damage caused by Helene (which
       was 130 miles off the coast as it passed by.) Their street was
       spared, thankfully. But, all around them so many have lost
       everything from flooding. If the surge was high then, a direct
       hit will be devastating. Maps show potential of 15+ft from
       storm-surge, but Chris told me last night their home might see
       three feet. Not as bad but still structurally a costly and
       timely recovery. If it comes on shore south of them this will
       make a huge difference in surge potentials. So, praying most for
       them right now.
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