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Re: Near death experiences
By: Lyn Date: September 3, 2024, 5:40 am
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Greg, thanks for the tick, I was responding to your post.
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Re: Near death experiences
By: Gregory Date: September 3, 2024, 6:25 am
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You're welcome Lyn - and a tick is always better than a ticking
off!
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Re: Near death experiences
By: Lyn Date: September 3, 2024, 8:34 am
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✔️
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Re: Near death experiences
By: Beverly Date: September 9, 2024, 3:07 pm
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Joining this late here, but I’ve thought a lot about NDEs and
have researched the subject a bit in the past couple of years.
My conclusion is they are all attributed to brain function.
Period.
But, this has also led me to wonder more about the idea of
living on after death. I’ve come more to believe that anything
that dies and is buried in the ground (the natural way, not
coffins, urns, etc….) remains a part of the life of this earth
in some capacity. Are we still sentient? There’s no way to know,
but I believe all the mythologies that include reincarnation are
merely tapping into the reality that everything that comprises
our bodies (atoms…)remains and is regenerated as new growth in
other forms.
Pushing up daisies is a real thing. ;D
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Re: Near death experiences
By: Lyn Date: September 9, 2024, 8:21 pm
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It certainly is which is why flowers do so well when planted in
cemeteries :-).
Speaking of NDEs, they aren't all nice. I remember one of our
fellow posters, Greylights, had had a NDE and he reckoned he saw
people being punished for things they had done to others by
having the same done to them. He was convinced that would
happen. I would rather not have a NDE please, I have no wish to
see people tortured; thankfully not everybody resuscitated does
have one, many are brought back with no memory of it. I will
not be brought back, carry a DNR.
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Re: Near death experiences
By: Gregory Date: September 10, 2024, 5:14 am
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On Bev's post, I agree that the NDE's are a function of the
brain, closing down but not completely. I have difficulties with
the idea of a resuscitated physical body, at least in the sense
of a kind of perfected 'superbody'. (The New Testament texts are
confusing on this.) I'm increasingly drawn to the idea of
consciousness permeating everything to different degrees, in
philosophy a concept known as panpsychism* (not the same as
pantheism, although somewhat akin to panentheism), which might
mean that what survives death assumes a distinct, perhaps
non-material form with a kind of cleansed self-awareness. As the
Pauline text says, "now we see through a glass darkly, but then
clearly". It's a vast subject, though.
On Lyn's post, those images of punishment would be, by the same
token, produced by the brain, rather like dreams. The Christian
belief (excluding the mediaeval idea of eternal torment in hell)
is that God forgives, as exemplified in Jesus Christ. Perhaps
any "punishment" is simply exclusion, or just non-existence as
one school of thought on the post-mortem state,
'annihilationism'** has it.
*
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panpsychism
(The brilliant neurologist, psychiatrist and philosopher, Iain
McGilchrist, touches on this in his published work.)
** The belief that the unsaved will have their conscious
existence extinguished after death rather than suffer eternal
torment. (Let's not delve deeply into different elements of
mainstream theology and doctrine here, with which I'm sure we're
all familiar.)
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Re: Near death experiences
By: Beverly Date: September 10, 2024, 5:37 am
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[quote author=Gregory link=topic=242.msg18953#msg18953
date=1725963267]
On Bev's post, I agree that the NDE's are a function of the
brain, closing down but not completely. I have difficulties with
the idea of a resuscitated physical body, at least in the sense
of a kind of perfected 'superbody'. (The New Testament texts are
confusing on this.) I'm increasingly drawn to the idea of
consciousness permeating everything to different degrees, in
philosophy a concept known as panpsychism* (not the same as
pantheism, although somewhat akin to panentheism), which might
mean that what survives death assumes a distinct, perhaps
non-material form with a kind of cleansed self-awareness. As the
Pauline text says, "now we see through a glass darkly, but then
clearly". It's a vast subject, though.
[/quote]
The idea of a “cleansed self awareness” surviving physical death
is intriguing. One of the more Eastern (and Native American)
beliefs that ancestors remain aware and interested in their
surviving family also fits into this.
Also, everything Jesus taught about the Kingdom of Heaven
distills down to love. To your comment to Lyn, I have often
thought only those who accept this as true salvation will
survive as only pure love exists in this afterlife. Even Jesus
seems to indicate love necessitates survival beyond this worldly
existence.
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Re: Near death experiences
By: Gregory Date: September 10, 2024, 6:55 am
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I think the key Biblical text which amplifies Jesus' teaching on
love is 1 Corinthians chapter 13, of which I quote in full the
last part here:
"Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will
cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where
there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and
we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in
part disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I
thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a
man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. For now we see only
a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now
I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully
known.And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the
greatest of these is love."
To elaborate on cleansed self-awareness, now the protective
shell of our ego clutters any purer vision beyond it but once
shed (and the 'mirror' is then almost transparent ) we perceive
ultimate reality through the divine prism.
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