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#Post#: 18756--------------------------------------------------
Near death experiences
By: Gregory Date: August 31, 2024, 7:06 am
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We've all read or heard about them, the tunnel with a figure of
light at the end (some see as Jesus, others as the Buddha, etc.)
or looking down at one's prostrate body from above, even
recounting things on returning to consciousness they've
supposedly seen in the next hospital ward which they couldn't
have seen before. My main problem with all that is that sight
depends on physical organs (ie, our eyes) which are embedded in
our faces and thus our heads. To see something elsewhere, we
have to move our bodies around, but if our body is inert, lying
in a hospital bed, what is it that 'moves around'? You can't
just have some kind of floating, undirected, disembodied
consciousness like a balloon without the skin moved by air
currents alone.
My inclination is to conclude that these experiences are still
confined to the brain, however they may be triggered. Any
thoughts?
#Post#: 18757--------------------------------------------------
Re: Near death experiences
By: Leslie Date: August 31, 2024, 7:14 am
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Few thoughts, not many:If it can be proved which means that
something extraordinary did occur in the next room and the
person outside that room could not possibly have seen, or heard
of it, except by some mysterious preternatural method, then how
could that be based on some action in the brain? Evidence shows
it did occur.
#Post#: 18759--------------------------------------------------
Re: Near death experiences
By: Stephen Horsfall Date: August 31, 2024, 7:27 am
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[quote author=Leslie link=topic=242.msg18757#msg18757
date=1725106474]
Few thoughts, not many:If it can be proved which means that
something extraordinary did occur in the next room and the
person outside that room could not possibly have seen, or heard
of it, except by some mysterious preternatural method, then how
could that be based on some action in the brain? Evidence shows
it did occur.
[/quote]But did what they thought they saw actually happen?
#Post#: 18760--------------------------------------------------
Re: Near death experiences
By: Gregory Date: August 31, 2024, 7:41 am
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Good question (and most hospital wards look alike.) In any
event, I insist on the question what is it that supposedly
'floats' around hospital wards or other locations? How can a
disembodied, non-physical entity direct itself, ie.
auto-propulsion? Moreover, these experiences are always limited
to a confined area (hospitals, home bedrooms, etc.) Why don't we
hear about more extensive locations? Some from a place miles
away never demonstrated to have been visited would be more
convincing.
#Post#: 18761--------------------------------------------------
Re: Near death experiences
By: guest18 Date: August 31, 2024, 8:20 am
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[quote author=Gregory link=topic=242.msg18756#msg18756
date=1725105976]
We've all read or heard about them, the tunnel with a figure of
light at the end (some see as Jesus, others as the Buddha, etc.)
or looking down at one's prostrate body from above, even
recounting things on returning to consciousness they've
supposedly seen in the next hospital ward which they couldn't
have seen before. My main problem with all that is that sight
depends on physical organs (ie, our eyes) which are embedded in
our faces and thus our heads. To see something elsewhere, we
have to move our bodies around, but if our body is inert, lying
in a hospital bed, what is it that 'moves around'? You can't
just have some kind of floating, undirected, disembodied
consciousness like a balloon without the skin moved by air
currents alone.
My inclination is to conclude that these experiences are still
confined to the brain, however they may be triggered. Any
thoughts?
[/quote]
I agree with you Greg. The brain is a very complicated organ,
some of the experiences I have had are very weird to say the
least. As science progresses I think that in the future a
natural explanation will be found.
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Re: Near death experiences
By: Leslie Date: August 31, 2024, 9:06 am
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A natural explanation cannot always be found. In our religion we
ackmowledge the existance of the supernatural, through miracles
- which do happen. You must believe in a purely materialistic
universe to believe Science has all the answers. Clear;y it does
not!
#Post#: 18764--------------------------------------------------
Re: Near death experiences
By: Gregory Date: August 31, 2024, 9:56 am
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Perhaps, but many of the people who have had near death
experiences have not been Christians, still less religious, so
it seems difficult to accept some supernatural explanation,
still less miraculous. Anyway, I'd appreciate further comments
or opinions which directly address this baffling phenomenon,
particularly on some of the specific objections raised, although
obviously none of us really knows the answer for certain.
#Post#: 18765--------------------------------------------------
Re: Near death experiences
By: Leslie Date: August 31, 2024, 10:02 am
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[quote author=Steve link=topic=242.msg18759#msg18759
date=1725107269]
[quote author=Leslie link=topic=242.msg18757#msg18757
date=1725106474]
Few thoughts, not many:If it can be proved which means that
something extraordinary did occur in the next room and the
person outside that room could not possibly have seen, or heard
of it, except by some mysterious preternatural method, then how
could that be based on some action in the brain? Evidence shows
it did occur.
[/quote]
But did what they thought they saw actually happen?
[/quote]
Yes, it did because the evidence show that people not concerned,
saw the same thing happen in a hospital room as described by the
patient who was outside the room.
#Post#: 18766--------------------------------------------------
Re: Near death experiences
By: Gregory Date: August 31, 2024, 10:44 am
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What evidence? Provide it with solid material, references,
sources, etc.. Otherwise it's just hearsay. And I repeat from my
last post (which you haven't responded to) if the cause is
supernatural, why is it happening to countless people who are
not religious in any way?
#Post#: 18767--------------------------------------------------
Re: Near death experiences
By: Leslie Date: August 31, 2024, 12:24 pm
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As in a Court of Canadian :) Law, seeing as a first person is
evidence enough.* Also, who said only one person saw this
remarkable event, I didn't. A few people may have seen what
happened in the hospital room.In a Similar way a few people in
the next room knew the person with the near death experience was
telling the truth.
Do you believe that countless people who are not religious are
having near death experiences?
In the case of a supernatural miracle the evidence required for
authentification is far more strict. It takes years to get
approval .
As for me not answering your post, well I was in a Costco
parking lot for 40 minutes in the hot sun awaiting my wife.
*Unless proved otherwise.
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