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Re: American Elections
By: Lyn Date: July 21, 2024, 1:52 pm
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I just read it. It's the right decision, good for him. He can
leave with head held high and I wish him a few more years of
being happy and relaxed.
Now we wait to see who will take his place, may God help them.
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Re: American Elections
By: Gregory Date: July 22, 2024, 2:46 am
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An article I've read posed a pertinent question. If Biden isn't
really up to being president for another four-year term, then
presumably he isn't really fit enough to see out his present
term of office effectively for the next three and a half months
until the election, not to mention the further two and a half
months after that until the January 20th inauguration (ie. six
months in all) so why not resign from the presidency in toto
now? Harris would presumably assume his office until the
election, at the same time demonstrating whether she is capable
enough for the top job in a kind of 'trial run'.
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Re: American Elections
By: Stephen Horsfall Date: July 22, 2024, 3:58 am
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[quote author=Gregory link=topic=211.msg17569#msg17569
date=1721634400]
An article I've read posed a pertinent question. If Biden isn't
really up to being president for another four-year term, then
presumably he isn't really fit enough to see out his present
term of office effectively for the next three and a half months
until the election, not to mention the further two and a half
months after that until the January 20th inauguration (ie. six
months in all) so why not resign from the presidency in toto
now?
[/quote]
I don't think that follows. He could be capable of doing the job
for six months, but not for four and a half years, given his
advanced age now. Besides, the calls for him to resign the
presidency are coming from Trump and the Republicans, and it's
becoming the standard attack-line from them. I don't think Biden
should jump through hoops to keep them happy - indeed, they've
deliberately made it politically impossible for hm to resign, so
that they can - they hope - embarrass the hell out of him and
the Dems by parroting the call at every opportunity. I've never
liked the Reps - America's Tores - but there was a time when
they played more or less fair, before Trump dragged them into
the sewer.
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Re: American Elections
By: Gregory Date: July 22, 2024, 4:15 am
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[quote author=Steve link=topic=211.msg17570#msg17570
date=1721638726]
[quote author=Gregory link=topic=211.msg17569#msg17569
date=1721634400]
An article I've read posed a pertinent question. If Biden isn't
really up to being president for another four-year term, then
presumably he isn't really fit enough to see out his present
term of office effectively for the next three and a half months
until the election, not to mention the further two and a half
months after that until the January 20th inauguration (ie. six
months in all) so why not resign from the presidency in toto
now?
[/quote]
I don't think that follows. He could be capable of doing the job
for six months, but not for four and a half years, given his
advanced age now.
[/quote]
He's already showing significant signs of deterioration mentally
and physically so if, as they say, a week is a long time in
politics, six months might be an eternity. You say he could be
capable of doing the job for six months, but equally he might be
incapable of it. Is that a chance worth taking?
Moreover, I would insist on the part of my post that you haven't
quoted being viable: "Harris would presumably assume his office
until the election, at the same time demonstrating whether she
is capable enough for the top job in a kind of 'trial run'." Let
her show her mettle doing the real thing for a few months to
help voters decide on her capacity to do it effectively.
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Re: American Elections
By: Stephen Horsfall Date: July 22, 2024, 4:32 am
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[quote author=Gregory link=topic=211.msg17571#msg17571
date=1721639727]
[quote author=Steve link=topic=211.msg17570#msg17570
date=1721638726]
[quote author=Gregory link=topic=211.msg17569#msg17569
date=1721634400]
An article I've read posed a pertinent question. If Biden isn't
really up to being president for another four-year term, then
presumably he isn't really fit enough to see out his present
term of office effectively for the next three and a half months
until the election, not to mention the further two and a half
months after that until the January 20th inauguration (ie. six
months in all) so why not resign from the presidency in toto
now?
[/quote]
I don't think that follows. He could be capable of doing the job
for six months, but not for four and a half years, given his
advanced age now.
[/quote]
He's already showing significant signs of deterioration mentally
and physically so if, as they say, a week is a long time in
politics, six months might be an eternity. You say he could be
capable of doing the job for six months, but equally he might be
incapable of it. Is that a chance worth taking?
Moreover, I would insist on the part of my post that you haven't
quoted being viable: "Harris would presumably assume his office
until the election, at the same time demonstrating whether she
is capable enough for the top job in a kind of 'trial run'." Let
her show her mettle doing the real thing for a few months to
help voters decide on her capacity to do it effectively.
[/quote]
You don't want to risk another six months of Biden, a man who
has been President for four years with no disastrous
consequences, but you're willing to thrust Harris into the
Presidency with no preparation - a woman you've previously
expressed doubts about the competency of. Come on - this is just
an underhand Republican political ploy.
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Re: American Elections
By: Stephen Horsfall Date: July 22, 2024, 4:53 am
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Trump's maternal ancestors came from Lewis in the outer
Hebrides, so it would be appropriate for a Harris to sort out
his mess...
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_and_Harris
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Re: American Elections
By: Gregory Date: July 22, 2024, 5:00 am
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[quote author=Steve link=topic=211.msg17572#msg17572
date=1721640757]
You don't want to risk another six months of Biden, a man who
has been President for four years with no disastrous
consequences, but you're willing to thrust Harris into the
Presidency with no preparation - a woman you've previously
expressed doubts about the competency of. Come on - this is just
an underhand Republican political ploy.
[/quote]
In the first place, please spare me any accusations of being
guilty of an underhand Republican political ploy. Many people
from different ends of the political spectrum have been critical
of her for various reasons, and not all political ones. Anyway,
Republicans can't use the age and mental decline cards with
Harris now as she's much younger than Biden and so they're
denied their main weapon.
Biden's accomplished four-year term does not automatically mean
that he can carry it through now in the next few weeks and
months as his decline has been much more manifest recently and
could well affect his judgement, especially with crucial
decisions. As I pointed out before: "You say he could be capable
of doing the job for six months, but equally he might be
incapable of it. Is that a chance worth taking?"
Meanwhile, if Harris showed herself up to the task having proven
it over the next few months, then she would have a considerable
advantage in the election rather than as an untried, untested
candidate. It would also give her hands-on experience of
presidential governing, surely useful as preparation for four
years in office. That's all I'm suggesting.
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Re: American Elections
By: gwinnie Date: July 22, 2024, 3:11 pm
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Kamala has raised $50m on day 1 of her campaign. She is looking
confident, and is generally presenting well. I’m certainly
cheering her candidacy and she may be inexperienced but she has
been Biden’s VP throughout, and surely will have Barack and
Michelle to mentor her. She rightly kept a low profile as VP,
learning the ropes. I’m certainly toasting her candidacy this
evening and wish her a successful candidacy for the best outcome
for us all.
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Re: American Elections
By: Lyn Date: July 22, 2024, 4:04 pm
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Me too, gwinnie. I like what I have read so far.
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Re: American Elections
By: Leslie Date: July 22, 2024, 6:08 pm
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Kamala raised US$81,000,000 in the first day of her campaign .
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