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American Elections
By: Gregory Date: June 28, 2024, 2:06 am
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By all accounts, Biden's performance during his debate with
Trump was 'disastrous', with him stumbling over words, mumbling
at times, losing his train of thought, etc. Members of his own
party in high positions are now saying he should step down and
have another candidate take his place. As they acknowledge,
though, there are no obvious contenders for the moment. What is
certain for growing numbers of people now is that in an
increasingly dangerous world (Russia, China, Iran, North Korea)
it would be folly to have this elderly man in a clear state of
decline, physically and mentally, in charge of the West's
leading superpower.
They could invoke the 25th Amendment of the Constitution, which
allows for the deposition of a president who is clearly unfit
for office, but this would mean that the Vice President, Kamala
Harris, would automatically become president, but in that case
what is certain is that in the election, given her record low
popularity ratings in the polls, she would be defeated, handing
the victory to Trump.
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Re: American Elections
By: gwinnie Date: June 28, 2024, 9:46 am
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Is RFK throwing his hat in the ring?
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Re: American Elections
By: Gregory Date: June 28, 2024, 10:32 am
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[quote author=gwinnie link=topic=211.msg17139#msg17139
date=1719586001]
Is RFK throwing his hat in the ring?
[/quote]
No one has done that (yet) as there is no selection process for
a presidential candidate as long as Biden remains president and
the only Democrat candidate for the election. One name in the
forefront of speculation should Biden pull out is the governor
of California, Gavin Newsom.
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Re: American Elections
By: Beverly Date: June 28, 2024, 10:58 am
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I usually watch debates, but I couldn’t bring myself to this
time. From everyone I’ve read comments from or talked to who
have all agree with your assessment, Greg.
Biden has a stuttering issue that he’s overcome very well, but
it is this that affects his speaking abilities, not his mind.
The conservative press has a field day with this every time he
publicly speaks, but sadly, it gets a lot of mileage.
Gavin Newsome would be a good VP pick. I’m hoping Biden will
wise up and see that the best way for him to get reelected would
be to select a better VP candidate. (But, as we’ve seen with
Hillary and Kamala, it doesn’t take much for the conservative
media to turn mole hills into mountains of issues that in true
perspective are quite petty if not entirely made up.
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Re: American Elections
By: Gregory Date: June 28, 2024, 2:58 pm
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I watched much of the debate, Bev, and you're being very kind in
attributing Biden's growing cognitive and speaking problems to
controlled stuttering. That cannot account for his constant
gaffes, his forgetting what he's saying or losing his train of
thought, his stumbling over words, the sense of not knowing
where he is at times, his falls and other evident problems which
in the minds of many are redolent of advancing senility. It's
not just the conservative press which has a field day with
Biden's cognitive and speaking problems. Virtually the entire
Democrat establishment was clearly appalled and seriously
worried by his performance in the debate and are now calling on
him to stand down and make way for a younger, more able
candidate. When his own party is turning against him, it's a
serious matter indeed.
If he persists in standing for re-election, and given his low
popularity ratings, he may hand the election to Trump on a
plate, and that is surely a dire prospect to be avoided at all
costs.
By the way, it's Gavin Newsom (ie. without an 'e'.) I know it
looks as if there should be an 'e', but there isn't one.
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Re: American Elections
By: gwinnie Date: June 29, 2024, 8:57 am
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An athlete can’t run on a broken leg. There is no shame in
standing down.
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Re: American Elections
By: Beverly Date: June 30, 2024, 7:05 am
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Biden’s international ratings are higher than Trump’s, which
would not be the case if dementia was a real issue.
HTML https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/06/11/globally-biden-receives-higher-ratings-than-trump/
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Re: American Elections
By: Gregory Date: June 30, 2024, 9:48 am
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Nobody is suggesting that Biden is suffering from dementia, only
a gradual decline in his speaking and cognitive faculties, which
is not the same but could still make him unfit for a second
term, especially if they grow worse. People around the world
with much less media coverage may not have seen examples of
Biden's various speech and cognitive problems while American TV
and other media audiences will have been paying much more
attention to reports, especially as the election draws nearer.
Moreover, that report you cited is dated June 11th., well before
the controversial debate the other night, which may well have
had a negative effect on global opinion following it. The fact
is that his popularity ratings in America are down in the 30's
and it's Americans who vote in November. not people around the
world, and that's what counts in the end. (Trump's current
ratings are in the 40's.)
His wife Jill is loyally standing by him but there is still a
huge groundswell of calls for him to stand down among leading
Democrats and donors to the Democrat Party, who are also
criticising Jill Biden for putting her husband above the
interests of the nation
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Re: American Elections
By: Beverly Date: July 1, 2024, 8:22 am
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From what I can gather, it’s not just his wife. There’re obvious
concerns about Biden’s electability, but to make a change this
close to the election would be problematic. I’ll have to read
more about any comment Jill made, but she’s a smart woman and I
would be surprised to find her support for him is mere blind
loyalty. She’s been a politician’s wife a very long time, and
she no doubt is very familiar with the risk to the party that
would come from trying to replace Biden as a candidate this far
into the election year. I read where Newsom flat out refused to
support such an idea.
It will be interesting to see how the Dems handle this.
As yet, I’ve been avoiding even watching the recaps of the
debate, much less the whole replay. The thought of Trump as
president is so disturbing that I just can’t deal with it all.
We’re still supporting the Party, $$, and that’s the best we’re
able to do for now.
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Re: American Elections
By: Gregory Date: July 11, 2024, 2:47 am
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Apparently the call for Biden to stand down is growing in the
Democrat ranks according to daily reports. Now, the actor George
Clooney, described as 'a top Democratic fundraiser' and
well-known for his liberal stance in politics, has written a
piece for the New York Times calling with much regret for Biden
to go. According to a BBC article, the actor writes that the
president's decline is not an illusion; it’s real. He points to
a Los Angeles fundraiser he threw for the president last month.
“The Joe Biden I was with three weeks ago at the fundraiser was
not the Joe... of 2010,” he writes. “He wasn’t even the Joe
Biden of 2020. He was the same man we all witnessed at the
debate.”
"The president is not up to the task of beating Donald Trump in
November", Clooney continues. He calls the Biden campaign’s
claim that he is the choice of Democratic primary voters
“disingenuous, at best”. And, perhaps most devastating, he says
every prominent Democrat he has spoken with knows all this –
whether they’re willing to publicly admit it or not. “We can put
our heads in the sand and pray for a miracle in November", he
writes, “or we can speak the truth.”
We'll see if this makes any difference, although for now Biden
seems to have decided to continue regardless of the rising
concern in his own party, exemplified in Clooney's article.
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