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European Elections
By: Gregory Date: June 9, 2024, 3:26 am
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Today, the 27 members of the European Union will be voting for
the new parliament. (The only Thaddean who can vote is Val being
from Ireland, a member state.) The general consensus is that
there will be a general swing towards the right, already
manifest in many member states such as Italy, Germany, Hungary,
France, etc. In Spain, the socialist PSOE party will probably
have a narrow majority in votes over the conservative PP. I
imagine there will be little interest in the UK, especially with
the general election there not far off, but it's the results of
today's European elections that will have decisive weight in the
months and years ahead, especially in an increasingly polarised
world.
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Re: European Elections
By: gwinnie Date: June 9, 2024, 3:14 pm
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Looks like the far right is surging.. and I have just seen a
breaking news flash that a Macron is calling a snap election.
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Re: European Elections
By: Gregory Date: June 10, 2024, 2:55 am
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I wouldn't say surging but certainly the hard right is steadily
increasing its votes, especially in Italy, Austria and Germany,
where in the latter case the far right AdF party has made
significant gains. However, EU president Ursula von der Leyen
has said the centre is still holding, but the overall shift to
the right is evident. Now, it looks like you'll have a Labour
government in the UK facing an increasingly conservative Europe.
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Re: European Elections
By: gwinnie Date: June 10, 2024, 1:41 pm
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Interesting times indeed. School children will be sitting exams
on this era in 20 years time…!
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Re: European Elections
By: Leslie Date: June 10, 2024, 3:03 pm
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I wish someone would come up with a precise definition of the
word "right" when applied to politics?
I have my own ideas of what it means.
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Re: European Elections
By: gwinnie Date: June 10, 2024, 4:59 pm
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Originally it meant what side of the house a politician sat on.
Not Britain though, it was in France around the time of the
Revolution. The aristocrats sat on the right and the
revolutionaries on the left.
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Re: European Elections
By: Gregory Date: June 11, 2024, 3:12 am
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[quote author=gwinnie link=topic=206.msg16725#msg16725
date=1718056767]
Originally it meant what side of the house a politician sat on.
Not Britain though, it was in France around the time of the
Revolution. The aristocrats sat on the right and the
revolutionaries on the left.
[/quote]
Just to add that the parliament seating in the original French
parliament was hemispheric, so the more radical members and
conservative members effectively faced each other at either ends
of the hemisphere This model was adopted by most European
parliaments throughout the 19th century.
The British parliament at the Palace of Westminster predates the
French model by many years with MP's facing each other from
either side of a long chamber. It's not big enough for all the
MP's now, hence many standing near the entrance during important
debates and voting.
The European parliament in Strasbourg differs in being almost
circular (and large) as a hemispheric model would not
accommodate all the 720 MEP's.
Just a correction of Gwinnie's post. There were no aristocrats
in the post-Revolution French National Assembly as the
aristocracy had been abolished (and many of them went to the
guillotine or fled into exile.) It only consisted of the
so-called Third Estate of commoners and a section of the
bourgeoisie (the First Estate was the clergy and the Second
Estate the nobles.)
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Re: European Elections
By: Leslie Date: June 11, 2024, 4:46 am
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There was recently a pilgrimage of Catholics from Paris to
Chartres cathedral, and the Latin Mass was prayed all the way on
the journey, not the Novus Ordo which was forced on us after
Vatican 2 by periti priests who led their bishops astray.
With such a return to the traditional Catholic ways of prayer in
France comes Right Wing ideas. That means a return too morality
prior to LGBTQ .
This right wing idea increases national objectives such as
France for he french, and opposition to Muslim immigation.
Evvery year for some time back now the number of people on this
pilgrimage to Chartres has increased in numbers, pilgrims are
getting younger each year and so are the priests who are now
more traditional . Bring back the Latin Mass in the USA too, and
Canada and all will be well.
Right wing ideals of morality will return.
Hopefully this change is reflected in the European elections.
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Re: European Elections
By: Gregory Date: June 11, 2024, 5:05 am
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On your closing comment, that is highly unlikely. Marine Le Pen,
leader of the main right-wing party and future government,
hasn't made any reference to religion and her political
programmes is completely secular in content. Moreover, France
has always been anti-clerical.
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Re: European Elections
By: Gregory Date: June 11, 2024, 5:08 am
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[quote author=gwinnie link=topic=206.msg16725#msg16725
date=1718056767]
Originally it meant what side of the house a politician sat on.
Not Britain though, it was in France around the time of the
Revolution. The aristocrats sat on the right and the
revolutionaries on the left.
[/quote]
Just to add that the parliament seating in the original French
parliament was hemispheric, so the more radical members and
conservative members effectively faced each other at either ends
of the hemisphere This model was adopted by most European
parliaments throughout the 19th century.
The British parliament at the Palace of Westminster predates the
French model by many years with MP's facing each other from
either side of a long chamber. It's not big enough for all the
MP's now, hence many standing near the entrance during important
debates and voting.
The European parliament in Strasbourg differs in being almost
circular (and large) as a hemispheric model would not
accommodate all the 720 MEP's.
Just a correction of Gwinnie's post. There were no aristocrats
in the post-Revolution French National Assembly as the
aristocracy had been abolished (and many of them went to the
guillotine or fled into exile.) It only consisted of the
so-called Third Estate of commoners and a section of the
bourgeoisie (the First Estate was the clergy and the Second
Estate the nobles.)
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