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       Re: Israel
       By: Lyn Date: May 21, 2024, 5:53 am
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       A lot of people do not understand the history behind this awful
       conflict, Val,  They don't realise that the Palestinians lived
       there long before 1948 and saying they can go somewhere else is
       like telling any of us that we could go and live in, eg France
       or Germany (if indeed we could now we (UK) are no longer in the
       EU), but you get my drift. Most countries in Europe have a
       majority Christian presence, at least nominally, but still they
       have diverse culture and it would be a different land.  The
       upheaval would be dreadful for families well established, often
       for generations, here, especially at short notice.  I believe
       the Palestinians have the right to be in Gaza and remain there.
       Historically, Jews were expelled from all over the place and
       that was inhumane, they now have a place to call their own
       regardless of where they originated and giving up Gaza would not
       hurt them. Most people want peace and to be able to live their
       lives normally, bringing up their families, taking care of their
       elderly, without fear.
       #Post#: 16269--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Israel
       By: Leslie Date: May 22, 2024, 3:53 pm
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       The Palestinians are looking for a place to live, Israel won't
       accept them after they voted for those monsters the Hamas. Egypt
       used to control Gaza, so perhaps part of Egypt can be home for
       them.
       The ICC is completely out of line in asking for an arrest
       warrants for Netanyahoo. I note that Spain, Norway and Ireland
       support a homeland for Palestinians.  Only the Jews had a case
       for a homeland which they now have.Palestinians are wandering
       migrants next to Arab countries who have increased and
       multiplied and contributed nothing to the economy of Gaza and
       rely instead on handouts from the U.N.
       Israel has now recalled their ambassadors from Spain, Norway and
       Ireland.Good for them.
       #Post#: 16271--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Israel
       By: Val Date: May 22, 2024, 4:44 pm
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       [quote author=Leslie link=topic=193.msg16269#msg16269
       date=1716411212]
       The Palestinians are looking for a place to live, Israel won't
       accept them after they voted for those monsters the Hamas. Egypt
       used to control Gaza, so perhaps part of Egypt can be home for
       them.
       The ICC is completely out of line in asking for an arrest
       warrants for Netanyahoo. I note that Spain, Norway and Ireland
       support a homeland for Palestinians.  Only the Jews had a case
       for a homeland which they now have.Palestinians are wandering
       migrants next to Arab countries who have increased and
       multiplied and contributed nothing to the economy of Gaza and
       rely instead on handouts from the U.N.
       Israel has now recalled their ambassadors from Spain, Norway and
       Ireland.Good for them.
       [/quote]
       The Palestinians are not looking for a place to live, they are
       in their homeland 'Palestine', living in the West Bank and Gaza.
       Benjamin Netanyahu would be in jail now if thw Hamas terrorists
       didn't get into Israel on October 7 2023, he needs this conflict
       to continue to keep himself and his other criminal cronies out
       of prison.
       How was it possible that Hamas Terrorists were able to enter
       Israel so easily, this impenetrable fence is a 7-meter wall with
       sensors, remote-control machine guns and barbed wire in the
       three areas where the border runs adjacent to Israeli
       settlements, there are also outposts every few hundred meters,
       there are mine fields and armoured patrols, and yet these Hamas
       terrorists got through so easily, somehow local police were sent
       on errands as were some military personel, leaving these areas
       unprotected.
       You would have to wonder, seeing as Israel has spies everywhere
       in Gaza how they didn't kmow,  or want to know about the attack,
       as I posted earlier Nethanyahu would be in prison now if this
       didn't happen
  HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Benjamin_Netanyahu
       #Post#: 16273--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Israel
       By: Leslie Date: May 22, 2024, 5:19 pm
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       The Palestinians are not looking for a place to live, they are
       in their homeland 'Palestine', living in the West Bank and
       Gaza.Val.
       That is a new one which every  Israeli who fought  for Israel
       will disagree with.
       Ther is no  point in continuing this discussion .
       #Post#: 16297--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Israel
       By: Lyn Date: May 25, 2024, 4:21 pm
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       At least you admit it is their homeland.
       It's good to discuss the situation but if you don't want to,
       Leslie, you don't have to.  However, there are not many of us
       here to discuss.
       #Post#: 16298--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Israel
       By: Leslie Date: May 25, 2024, 5:23 pm
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       That was a quote from Val which I now have enclosed in italics.
       I don't say that at all.This war will end when Israel is
       recognized as a nation and Hamas is defeated. Our Canadian UN
       rep said that you have to meet certain conditions before
       becoming a nation. One is ability to govern oneself,  there are
       a few more conditions too that Bob Rae mentioned. He is Canadian
       and although not born Jewish married into a Jewish family. At
       university he was a student leader, I was a part time student at
       that time. He also was the  Premier of Ontario and an NDP, and
       later on a Liberal. Finally he is our ambassador to the United
       Nations. I bumped into him by accident at Pearson once, He
       doesn't know me and I don't know him. We didn't speak to each
       other.
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       Re: Israel
       By: Lyn Date: May 26, 2024, 4:34 am
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       How interesting.
       #Post#: 16394--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Israel
       By: Stephen Horsfall Date: June 1, 2024, 12:12 am
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       A possible way forward?
  HTML https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw8860gn1nwo
       #Post#: 16398--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Israel
       By: Lyn Date: June 1, 2024, 3:56 am
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       We live in hope, Steve, but they've all tried before.
       #Post#: 16447--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Israel
       By: Beverly Date: June 3, 2024, 8:57 am
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       I’ll be surprised if Netanyahu agrees to this, which seems like
       an excellent plan. His goal has never been peace.
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