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       #Post#: 5632--------------------------------------------------
       Let's make some things clear
   DIR By: Aeroblyctos
       Date: November 20, 2011, 3:19 am
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       Hello members of this community!
       Lately we have had a little fight in the forums and I would like
       to tell you few things. I remind that we're a small community
       and that's why especially every member is important part of this
       community. We should respect each other.
       Even if we're here to have fun that doesn't mean we can spam
       everywhere in the forums random things. I'm easy-going guy but I
       have my own limits too. I think important topics like bug
       masterthread is a place only for bugs. However of course you can
       go there and help people if they're asking for help.
       Use the off-topic section for random talk but elsewhere relate
       your discussion at least somehow about the campaign.
       Now about myself I'm sorry that I didn't see a little fight here
       last few days. I've been busy with school and Skyrim. I haven't
       paid much attention to the forums and I haven't been doing the
       campaign much. However that doesn't mean the end has come. After
       I have finished Skyrim I go back to the daily rutines doing the
       campaign and checking the forums few times per day. The campaign
       will be finished, no matter what.
       Now that I've said what I had in my mind listen some good music
       and let the tranquility enter your heart.
       Yoshida Brothers - Frontier
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       #Post#: 5633--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Let's make some things clear
   DIR By: DD Canada
       Date: November 20, 2011, 3:44 am
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       Hello,
       The first three chapters are completely filled of PR (Public
       Relations
  HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations).
       Is it that there's only half the truth to keep this fight
       confidental, or are you just trying to be way too friendly? :p
       This is the art of storytelling concluded to one song:
       Nightwish - Storytime
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       #Post#: 5636--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Let's make some things clear
   DIR By: Blackdoom59
       Date: November 20, 2011, 4:57 am
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       So Aero's solution to our fight is the easy "stfu".Man I'm
       dissapointed.
       #Post#: 5641--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Let's make some things clear
   DIR By: DD Canada
       Date: November 20, 2011, 5:37 am
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       Hello,
       --- Quote from: Blackdoom59 link ---
       >
       > So Aero's solution to our fight is the easy "stfu".Man I'm
       dissapointed.
       --- End Quote ---
       It's exactly PR's purpose - Convince the clients that it's not
       the company's fault, to maintain the reputation.
       Of course, the clients know the truth, but the company doesn't
       give up trying - Honesty is a dying attribute these days.
       #Post#: 5645--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Let's make some things clear
   DIR By: chimto
       Date: November 20, 2011, 7:17 am
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       Eh, let's see what you have done, Blackdoom and DD Canada...
       1. Derail the topic from being a source of information for the
       questionnaires to a personal discussion without any relevance to
       the topic itself.
       2. When Skasian deleted these posts, you felt butthurt, 'cause
       you spent some 'precious' minutes of your life to write them.
       Lemme analyse DD Canada's posts...
       --- Quote ---
       > He's been deleting both (Black's and mine) of our posts,
       telling us that it's off-topic and that we should take it to the
       off-topic section.
       --- End Quote ---
       A little off-topic is fine, but derailing like that is just
       ridiculous.
       --- Quote ---
       > I know, that this would be replied "just start the discussion
       over in there, or copy-paste your posts". Pardon me, but that's
       not gonna happen. Should we do that, it would just support
       current and future moderators to such giving up -methods.
       --- End Quote ---
       ^Stubbornly refusing to take their off-topic discussion to
       somewhere else, for the Greater Good.
       --- Quote ---
       > Seriously, we spent some important minutes of our lives to
       write those replies, just to get them deleted due to rejection
       of a moderator. Why couldn't they be just edited to remove wrong
       content? Why couldn't they've been moved by those who have the
       control?
       --- End Quote ---
       ^Insisting that their spam posts don't deserve deletion, since
       they spent some 'precious' minutes of their lives to write them.
       Such an original complaint - I've never seen someone on any
       other forum did this.
       --- Quote ---
       > Wether or not we went off-topic, you could've moved our posts,
       but you didn't. Like come on, we didn't spam, we didn't necro,
       cross-post or anything like that - Off-topic is by far one of
       the least mistakes one is able to do.
       --- End Quote ---
       But it is not off-topic anymore. It's become SPAM.
       --- Quote ---
       > And what's with Chimto to bring him to this? Moderators are
       generally opinionless, aka if there's an argue, they shouldn't
       side with either person / group. So if Chimto was the only
       person you saw to get annoyed of our chat, doesn't that make it
       2v1? This is outstanding, soon there'll probably be more public
       votes that are ignored completely.
       --- End Quote ---
       No. Skasian is not simply 'siding' with me. He's doing his
       housekeeping job.
       --- Quote ---
       > the easy way, giving up: Deletion.
       --- End Quote ---
       *standard
       I hope that explained enough.
       #Post#: 5646--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Let's make some things clear
   DIR By: DD Canada
       Date: November 20, 2011, 7:37 am
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       Hello,
       1) -
       2) Replace 'butthurt' with 'disappointed' and we're good to go.
       --- Quote ---
       > A little off-topic is fine, but derailing like that is just
       ridiculous.
       --- End Quote ---
       True, we can't control ourselves when the other person provokes
       to post off-topic, but why couldn't those posts be moved? Just
       why, why?
       --- Quote ---
       > ^Stubbornly refusing to take their off-topic discussion to
       somewhere else, for the Greater Good.
       --- End Quote ---
       -
       --- Quote ---
       > ^Insisting that their spam posts don't deserve deletion, since
       they spent some 'precious' minutes of their lives to write them.
       Such an original complaint - I've never seen someone on any
       other forum did this.
       --- End Quote ---
       Many people don't have the guts to tell their honest opinions,
       so that might be the reason for why you'vent seen this kind of
       protest before.
       How were our posts spam? Off-topic for sure, but we didn't spam
       in our posts (for example smileys) neither did we doublepost /
       triplepost or so forth. Explain me.
       --- Quote ---
       > But it is not off-topic anymore. It's become SPAM.
       --- End Quote ---
       ^One quote above.
       --- Quote ---
       > No. Skasian is not simply 'siding' with me. He's doing his
       housekeeping job.
       --- End Quote ---
       I wish you a merry PR Christmas.
       --- Quote ---
       > *standard
       --- End Quote ---
       Right, standard deletion - Why couldn't he move those posts?
       --- Quote ---
       > I hope that explained enough.
       --- End Quote ---
       No - I would have to get the rights to delete all of your 150
       off-topic posts so that you would understand why, if you value
       those couple of hours of your life.
       #Post#: 5647--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Let's make some things clear
   DIR By: chimto
       Date: November 20, 2011, 7:55 am
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       --- Quote ---
       > True, we can't control ourselves when the other person
       provokes to post off-topic, but why couldn't those posts be
       moved? Just why, why?
       --- End Quote ---
       How do you propose moving these posts to the PMs? I can't see
       any other place for them besides PMs.
       --- Quote ---
       > I wish you a merry PR Christmas.
       --- End Quote ---
       Explained above.
       --- Quote ---
       > How were our posts spam? Off-topic for sure, but we didn't
       spam in our posts (for example smileys) neither did we
       doublepost / triplepost or so forth. Explain me.
       --- End Quote ---
       Spam can mean all sorts of things. Which does include large
       chunks of irrelevant texts.
       --- Quote ---
       > Right, standard deletion - Why couldn't he move those posts?
       --- End Quote ---
       Said above.
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       > No - I would have to get the rights to delete all of your 150
       off-topic posts so that you would understand why, if you value
       those couple of hours of your life.
       --- End Quote ---
       what is this i dont even
       #Post#: 5648--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Let's make some things clear
   DIR By: DD Canada
       Date: November 20, 2011, 8:10 am
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       Hello,
       --- Quote ---
       > How do you propose moving these posts to the PMs? I can't see
       any other place for them besides PMs.
       --- End Quote ---
       How about off-topic
  HTML http://www.tcocampaign.com/index.php?board=20.0
       -section? Let me
       ask you something; Are you active much on Hive? Based on this I
       would say you are not.
       --- Quote ---
       > Explained above.
       --- End Quote ---
       You didn't explain anything above about the siding issue,
       speaking of PR.
       --- Quote ---
       > Spam can mean all sorts of things. Which does include large
       chunks of irrelevant texts.
       --- End Quote ---
       -
       --- Quote ---
       > what is this i dont even
       --- End Quote ---
       ...understand? Well tell you what, if Aero did give me the
       rights, and I had your permission, I certainly would go and
       delete all of your 150 off-topic posts, which is more than I
       have posts in total by the way.
       #Post#: 5649--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Let's make some things clear
   DIR By: Blackdoom59
       Date: November 20, 2011, 8:33 am
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       DD , let him win ,Chimito will never stop spliting  on
       us.Besides , Skasian apologise , so let him win.
       The only thing that I'm sad about is that Aero didn't see the
       truth.Oh well.
       #Post#: 5653--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Let's make some things clear
   DIR By: DD Canada
       Date: November 20, 2011, 8:44 am
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       Hello,
       Well, one of the most critic problems has already been solved,
       yes. But because Chimto hopped in, and can't understand our
       pain, then it'd be the best for both sides to let him feel it.
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